Ukraine

^ Is it just me or is the video not actually there?

The T wrote: Dean wrote: Oh yippee, another pointless conspiracy conspiracy. I wonder if there's a conspiracy behind the creation of all of these conspiracies....

No, that's just a distraction from what is really going on.

Svetonio wrote: JJLehto wrote: Triceratopsoil wrote: Ukrainians have spent almost their entire history being controlled by everybody and their dog in neighboring countries, so as unfortunate as the latest events here might be it's regrettably nothing new.  That's why my family moved to Canada some 100 years ago. Pretty much.  Make it about 70 years ago for mine, and it was specifically some guy named Hitler that had something to do with it...but yup, very sad history, and sadder that independence has been anything but.  I know it always takes a while for a country to really become independent, and it's a rocky road....but seems Ukraine is screwed. No one will leave it be Shame is, I really believe it may be largely emotional for Russia. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't get it...is Russia still looking for that warm water port? As it was said, is Crimea that valuable for geo politics?  We know Russia has basically wanted it's old lands back, can it be simply the conservative old "I want this land" deal?  We all know imperialism is done with $ and business these days anyway!  Sadly, Russian foreign policy is completely incompetent, and it's only for keeping up that oligarch regime in Moscow.

Triceratopsoil wrote: Ukrainians have spent almost their entire history being controlled by everybody and their dog in neighboring countries, so as unfortunate as the latest events here might be it's regrettably nothing new.  That's why my family moved to Canada some 100 years ago.

Edited by JJLehto - March 28 2014 at 07:25

Blacksword wrote: It's bonkers. The whole thing. It's like living in the Twilight Zone. While Soros - who is incidentally an economic terrorist, and a mass media owning propogandist on the scale of Goebells - is suggesting that we pull the rug from under Putins feet, the British are planning to buy gas directly from Russia for the first time ever, instead of getting it from EU reserve sites, where Russian gas had been stored. If you back Putin into a corner that's when the trouble will really start, and his response will benefit no one. Then this week we hear Obama saying that Russia's actions in Crimea were worse than ours in Iraq. If Bush had said that liberals would be rolling around roaring with laughter, or spitting fire in disbelief and rage but because it's daddy cool saying it, the media barely touch it. Why? well, I dunno but you may want to ask George Soros; take it up with Media Matters. I'm not siding with Putin, but our leaders and their hangers on in the media and industry are the biggest bunch of ers, the post war world has ever seen. We should be very scared. The driver is drunk and his sat nav is f***ed.

Putin's Russia actually does not in itself constitute a threat to the world.
However, Putin's Russia is allied with Merkel's Germany now. This alliance is not official, but is easily visible when the media mimicry for the masses is ignored, and when it is known that Merkel's Germany and Putin's Russia are linked with hundreds of inter-state agreements, of which the most famous is the "Nord Stream". It actually fulfills the dreams of Russian fascist bloggers that Germany should be a "head" and Russia to be a "body". In that alliance, Erdogan's Turkey found its home too, and this alliance represents a real danger to the world.
Due to these facts, there is a big responsibility on the U.S. and the UK goverments.



Edited by Svetonio - March 28 2014 at 06:33

It's bonkers. The whole thing.

It's like living in the Twilight Zone. While Soros - who is incidentally an economic terrorist, and a mass media owning propogandist on the scale of Goebells - is suggesting that we pull the rug from under Putins feet, the British are planning to buy gas directly from Russia for the first time ever, instead of getting it from EU reserve sites, where Russian gas had been stored. If you back Putin into a corner that's when the trouble will really start, and his response will benefit no one.

Then this week we hear Obama saying that Russia's actions in Crimea were worse than ours in Iraq. If Bush had said that liberals would be rolling around roaring with laughter, or spitting fire in disbelief and rage but because it's daddy cool saying it, the media barely touch it. Why? well, I dunno but you may want to ask George Soros; take it up with Media Matters.

I'm not siding with Putin, but our leaders and their hangers on in the media and industry are the biggest bunch of ers, the post war world has ever seen. We should be very scared. The driver is drunk and his sat nav is f***ed.

This is a GREAT idea.

"Soros thought of "revenge" Putin : U.S. to sell oil reserves The United States have strategic oil reserves that are twice the required amount , and George Soros suggests that the United States sell the surplus immediately - to "punish" the Russian president Vladimir Putin. According to "Bloomberg" , while U.S. and European allies are seeking ways to respond to Putin for taking the Crimea , America would be selling oil reserves could put the world price of that fuel by as much as 12 dollars per barrel . Energy expert Philip Verleger estimated that the cost to come down if the U.S. sold 500,000 barrels a day from its strategic reserves. - This oil price drop could mean a loss of about $ 40 billion for Russia , when it comes to profits from the sale of oil and gas - he added. Soros is the idea of ​​selling strategic reserves presented at a panel discussion in Berlin last week , assessing the harshest punishment Putin for the annexation of the Crimea "in the hands of the United States" - because America can sell oil reserves to be lowered prices. U.S. Secretary of Energy Ernest Monic rejected the proposal , but is Soros - it seems - interested U.S. lawmakers , and Senator Mary Landry , Chair of the Congress Committee on Energy and Natural Resources , said that "America can and should be an energy superpower." - The last thing Putin and his supporters want is to compete with the U.S. in the energy race - said Democratic Senator from Louisiana . Vergeler told "Bloomberg" that the sale of U.S. oil reserves options that the United States might perform much faster than it would allow additional exports of natural gas - because of that there is no infrastructure . - We have plenty of oil , the (reserve) we do not need , we can sell it today , and make economic pressure on Russia - he says. The U.S. has 696 million barrels of oil in strategic reserves , which is stored in underground caverns in Texas and Louisiana. Stock was formed in 1975. after the Arab embargo , and the last major withdrawal of reservations was the sale of 30 million barrels in 2011 , during the crisis in Libya . The National Plan provides that the United States has enough oil reserves to cover 90 days without imports , and the current amount would cover up to 200 days , according to the International Energy Agency . It is estimated that the United States , thanks to increasing local production , the 2035th able to provide all of its own oil needs."

Edited by Svetonio - March 28 2014 at 05:15

Slartibartfast wrote:

Are there any Polish forum members here? I read an article in The Week (I''l try and find a link) that said thousands of Polish army reservists were being called up. Allegedly many young Poles working in the UK have recieved their papers.

Is this true?

It's for an unscehduled border exercise, apparently. Just interested.

Edited by Blacksword - March 27 2014 at 08:38