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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

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I don't know a ton of metalheads, but the ones I do know know prog metal, and know enough people who like prog metal to feel that Dream Theatre is overrated. Wink

And then there are the ones who vehemently deny that DT are even metal at all LOL
A keyboard player? That's just not kvlt, man. 

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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

I don't know a ton of metalheads, but the ones I do know know prog metal, and know enough people who like prog metal to feel that Dream Theatre is overrated. Wink
And then there are the ones who vehemently deny that DT are even metal at all LOL
I know you're just joking but, with no Ex/Tech metalers to back me up, I was thinking more in the line of groups like Meshuggah, Shinning, My Dying Bride and Enslaved which are foreign to most Ozzy to Mastodon Metal heads. I'm definitely not talking about the well known Dream Theater.

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Prog killed itself...
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<akerfeldt>Prog is deaaaaaad</akerfeldt>
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Prog is no more dead than "prog is dead" threads. 

Did anyone ever post a Paul Is Dead thread?

If prog is not dead , and I did not intimate that it was (resuscitated perhaps), where is it going?
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<akerfeldt>Prog is deaaaaaad</akerfeldt>
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Originally posted by Archeus Archeus wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

I don't know a ton of metalheads, but the ones I do know know prog metal, and know enough people who like prog metal to feel that Dream Theatre is overrated. Wink

And then there are the ones who vehemently deny that DT are even metal at all LOL
A keyboard player? That's just not kvlt, man. 
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Prog is no more dead than "prog is dead" threads. 

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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

I don't know a ton of metalheads, but the ones I do know know prog metal, and know enough people who like prog metal to feel that Dream Theatre is overrated. Wink

And then there are the ones who vehemently deny that DT are even metal at all LOL


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I don't know a ton of metalheads, but the ones I do know know prog metal, and know enough people who like prog metal to feel that Dream Theatre is overrated. Wink
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Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

Theres a metal head who lives next door to me. I was surprised to find out he doesn't seem to know much about progressive metal. When I mentioned it he asked me if that was like Yngwie Malmsteem or Joe Satriani. My response was something like "yeah, kind of." Then I had to explain to him about Queensryche, Dream Theater, Symphony X etc. He did seem to recognize the name Opeth though. :) So I don't know how popular prog metal is when a hardcore metal fan has to struggle with figuring out what it is. This guy is 39(still a few years younger than me)so maybe it's mostly the younger metal fans who are hip on prog metal I don't know.

A metalhead who isn't familiar with Opeth, Dream Theater or Queensrÿche is no true metalhead...
Are yoy sure he isn't just one of those whiny metalcore fans? They seem to be everyhere these days Ermm


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Very surprised that a 39 year old American is not aware of Queensryche.  They got very heavy FM and MTV play around the time of Empire.
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Queenryche, Dream Theater and Symphony X have been around for some 25 years, so blame it on your neighbour - not on metalfans in general.
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Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

Theres a metal head who lives next door to me. I was surprised to find out he doesn't seem to know much about progressive metal. When I mentioned it he asked me if that was like Yngwie Malmsteem or Joe Satriani. My response was something like "yeah, kind of." Then I had to explain to him about Queensryche, Dream Theater, Symphony X etc. He did seem to recognize the name Opeth though. :) So I don't know how popular prog metal is when a hardcore metal fan has to struggle with figuring out what it is. This guy is 39(still a few years younger than me)so maybe it's mostly the younger metal fans who are hip on prog metal I don't know.
It might be just the guy next door. Wink
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Theres a metal head who lives next door to me. I was surprised to find out he doesn't seem to know much about progressive metal. When I mentioned it he asked me if that was like Yngwie Malmsteem or Joe Satriani. My response was something like "yeah, kind of." Then I had to explain to him about Queensryche, Dream Theater, Symphony X etc. He did seem to recognize the name Opeth though. :) So I don't know how popular prog metal is when a hardcore metal fan has to struggle with figuring out what it is. This guy is 39(still a few years younger than me)so maybe it's mostly the younger metal fans who are hip on prog metal I don't know.

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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

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^We're talking about metal now? Confused
We are talking about one of Progressive Music's popular sub genres, Extreme Technical Prog Metal. It's listed in PA. I assure you.
I could call growls barbaric when they're intentionally used to create such an image, and they often are in regular death metal (not in Ex/Tech, though?). Punk, on the other hand, is less comparable to barbaric cultures. The only comparison I can think of is that it's simpler and not quite as ornate as prog. But I don't want to place genres in enmity with one another. I like prog, I like punk, I like metal. I don't want to think of prog as anything superior to the other music I listen to.
Not at all. I welcome outside influences that were once thought of being perhaps a bit crude by some people to be in prog. I'm far from a snob and like Ex/Tech prog metal. The barbrians in late Rome give it it's last rise to prominence, but again that's a comparison that probably only makes sense to me. LOL And some EX/Tech groups like Cynic did employ growls at one time and others still do.
I'm just referring to the image it evokes. Death metal and black metal often draw from Nordic cultures— actual barbarians. I wouldn't think of Cynic and Between the Buried and Me to be attempting to create that image with growls, but I guess influence obviously exists from the more "barbaric" metal bands. Anyway, I get your comparison now. But I'm still wondering how it fits into the scheme of the discussion. Are you referring to Extreme/tech metal as that last surge of popularity for prog?
IMHO, yes. Or at least prog metal in some form.


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This thread officially got awesome just for the sake of observing the comments now LOL.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

^We're talking about metal now? Confused
We are talking about one of Progressive Music's popular sub genres, Extreme Technical Prog Metal. It's listed in PA. I assure you.
I could call growls barbaric when they're intentionally used to create such an image, and they often are in regular death metal (not in Ex/Tech, though?). Punk, on the other hand, is less comparable to barbaric cultures. The only comparison I can think of is that it's simpler and not quite as ornate as prog. But I don't want to place genres in enmity with one another. I like prog, I like punk, I like metal. I don't want to think of prog as anything superior to the other music I listen to.
Not at all. I welcome outside influences that were once thought of being perhaps a bit crude by some people to be in prog. I'm far from a snob and like Ex/Tech prog metal. The barbrians in late Rome give it it's last rise to prominence, but again that's a comparison that probably only makes sense to me. LOL And some EX/Tech groups like Cynic did employ growls at one time and others still do.
I'm just referring to the image it evokes. Death metal and black metal often draw from Nordic cultures— actual barbarians. I wouldn't think of Cynic and Between the Buried and Me to be attempting to create that image with growls, but I guess influence obviously exists from the more "barbaric" metal bands. Anyway, I get your comparison now. But I'm still wondering how it fits into the scheme of the discussion. Are you referring to Extreme/tech metal as that last surge of popularity for prog?
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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

^We're talking about metal now? Confused
We are talking about one of Progressive Music's popular sub genres, Extreme Technical Prog Metal. It's listed in PA. I assure you.
I could call growls barbaric when they're intentionally used to create such an image, and they often are in regular death metal (not in Ex/Tech, though?). Punk, on the other hand, is less comparable to barbaric cultures. The only comparison I can think of is that it's simpler and not quite as ornate as prog. But I don't want to place genres in enmity with one another. I like prog, I like punk, I like metal. I don't want to think of prog as anything superior to the other music I listen to.
Not at all. I welcome outside influences that were once thought of being perhaps a bit crude by some people to be in prog. I'm far from a snob and like Ex/Tech prog metal. The barbarians in late Rome gave it it's last rise to prominence, but again that's a comparison that probably only makes sense to me. LOL And some EX/Tech groups like Cynic did employ growls at one time and others still do.


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