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rileydog22
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 19:20 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Trout Mask Replica, I had heard good things about it but I cringe whenever it comes up in rotation. It's well respected on this site, but I just can't get into it.
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Peter
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 19:19 |
 Anyway, maybe the next time I review a "disappointing" album like Close to the Edge, Pawn Hearts, or Nursery Cryme (all got top marks from me) I should include a disclaimer like 'I think this is great, but you probably won't like it" or 'Warning: despite the favourable review, buying this product may still lead to deep feelings of inconsolable disappointment."
i find the use here of words like 'hype" to describe the favourable opinions expressed by individuals in reviews to be rather insulting. "Hype" would seem to imply something underhanded -- some sort of vested interest on the part of the reviewer. 'Hype' would seem to apply to professional advertising, where the aim is to part people from their money, not spread joy. Our reviews are written by unpaid volunteers. Hard work, sincerity, and a desire to praise and share something which gives the reviewer joy go into favourable reviews -- not any desire to deceive people, or make money.
so you don't like every album you've ever bought. Fine. but don't blame that on those who DID like it, and saw fit to say so here. our primary purpose is supposedly to spread a love of prog, and to encourage the reviewing of prog albums -- not to publish lists of those few albums which we bought since coming here, only to be 'disappointed."
Again, I also feel that some naive folks seem to expect popular, highly-praised albums to absolutely "blow them away" and/or radically change their lives or something. It's just MUSIC folks, not religion. 
Thanks -- I needed to say that. I like to complain about things here too, see? 
Edited by Peter - November 20 2007 at 19:21
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Logan
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 19:09 |
Peter wrote:
Negative, whining threads like this make it hard to be a reviewer.
Shouldn't this thread be on an ANTI prog site?
Don't read reviews then -- listen to everything before you buy.
Better yet, just steal your music. You'll be less "dissappointed."  |
And negative, whining posts about such threads can make it hard to be a poster. Sorry, got to put out my opinion here. I rather enjoy taking the opportunity to express myself.  I haven't noticed much in the way of whining here. How do you feel about negative reviews? They're okay as long as they are not whiny, I suppose? This is a subjective topic. I fail to see why one should be bothered by others sharing their less than enthusiastic feelings. It's a matter of taste. I'm as interested in what people don't like here as what they like. Hopefully reviews and threads strike a balance between the really enthusiastic and really disappointed. Look to the individual posts: This is not anti-prog any more than a review that states that a particular album is poor. Just because I don't like such-and-such Prog album or band doesn't mean that I don't like Prog. If a clearly negative thread bothers one, one can ignore it and leave it to those who wish to participate, of course, and don't mean one should. It can lead to interesting debate. Hey, we're all different with different ways of seeing things. And by the way, I can find whiny reviews and threads entertaining, and care naught if someone online dislikes an album I love or loves an album I loathe. Just my two cents, but to each his or her own. I may not sympathise much with your attitude here, but I do respect your right to express it. Oh, and if you find any typos, it's not easy typing with a child sleeping on my shoulder. Seriously though, it's all good (even when bad)!  Rock on! I do tend to suggest that people should try to sample the music (through legal means) before buying to avoid much disappointment. Any mp3 is worth a thousand words as I'm wont to say. Of course some prefer to discover music in other ways.
Edited by Logan - November 20 2007 at 19:13
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 18:38 |
That's a hard question because nothing came immediately to mind. I've generally liked every one I've added to my collection. One of my greatest disappointments was buying a CD listed as a Larry Coryell album, but it turned out to be a disco album by Alphonse Mouzon (who's worked with Larry). Needless to say, that one never got added to my collection. Trout Mask Replica, I had heard good things about it but I cringe whenever it comes up in rotation. It's well respected on this site, but I just can't get into it. Kahn's Space Shanty looked like it would be good the store, but never clicked with me. Some of Fred Frith's newer stuff never seems to live up to the greatness of his older stuff. That could fill out the five, but I don't want to name names. McDonald and Giles. Just doesn't hold a candle to Crimson King.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Peter
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 18:32 |
Negative, whining threads like this make it hard to be a reviewer.
Shouldn't this thread be on an ANTI prog site?
Don't read reviews then -- listen to everything before you buy.
Better yet, just steal your music. You'll be less "dissappointed." 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 18:24 |
- Genesis : And Then There Were Three "Genesis goes popprog"
- Yes : Tales From Topographic Oceans "Where is my musical direction?"
- Marillion : Clutching At Straws "prog down to boring personal alcohol problems bla-
bla"
- ELP : Love Beach "10% inspiration, 90% money"
- Rush : Presto "From a captivating powerprog trio to a predictable melodic rock band"
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Dean
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 18:14 |
^^ check his "reviews", I think -Gil misread the thread title
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Barla
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 18:06 |
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cynthiasmallet
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 17:33 |
-Gil wrote:
1-Close to the edge
2-Selling England by the pound
3-Thick as a brick
4-In the courto the crimson king
5-Wish you were here |
So... what DO you like?
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Would you like to watch TV, or get between the sheets, or contemplate the silent freeway, would you like something to eat?
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Publius84
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 17:31 |
-Gil wrote:
1-Close to the edge
2-Selling England by the pound
3-Thick as a brick
4-In the courto the crimson king
5-Wish you were here |
Really funny
Edited by Publius84 - November 20 2007 at 17:31
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I know what I like and I like what I know...
Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul...
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-Gil
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 16:57 |
darqdean wrote:
-Gil wrote:
1-Close to the edge
2-Selling England by the pound
3-Thick as a brick
4-In the courto the crimson king
5-Wish you were here |
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Dean
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 16:55 |
-Gil wrote:
1-Close to the edge
2-Selling England by the pound
3-Thick as a brick
4-In the courto the crimson king
5-Wish you were here |
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-Gil
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 16:51 |
1-Close to the edge
2-Selling England by the pound
3-Thick as a brick
4-In the courto the crimson king
5-Wish you were here
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Draconean
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 16:47 |
Yeah, I think I know why you're shocked.
I know that a lot of people consider the 3 albums you highlighted masterpieces.
To me "Images and Words", "A Social Grace" and "Empire" are masterpieces and maybe I just expected another album that I would love heaps.
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I'm running still,
I shall until,
one day I hope that I'll arrive
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rushfan4
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 16:47 |
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Sorry but Neil Peart to my mind invented annoying drumming. As you have probably gathered by now one of my greatest hang ups with a lot of prog (as well as other stuff) is the dominance of the snare drum (or whatever it is called).
I reckon my collection will be double that it is now if it wasn't for the crap drumming/engineering that is so prevelant. I hear the samples and stop after a few seconds cos I know the rest of the album will be the same.
There's a lot of good things that comes out of Canada but Rush ain't one of them.
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Interesting perspective. I hadn't heard that criticism before. Most criticism is regarding Geddy's voice. And then there is that one guy who always complains about Alex playing in the same pentameter (or whatever the technical term is). Most that I have heard criticize Neil is because they met him and he was standoffish, or his drumming is too robotic.
I have noticed that most of the criticism of Rush comes from the other side of the pond. They just don't seem to be quite as popular with prog fans there as they are here (notable exceptions on both ends. Including Utah Man, but we established he has that third eye growing out of his forehead so I can forgive him). Oh well, probably the same reason that I'm not too fond of VDGG or Gentle Giant, although the latter is growing on me a bit.
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Dean
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 16:39 |
oh great, a negative poll. 
None of these albums are bad, they just failed to live up to my expectations. The first two (or three  ) would suggest that I'm just not cut out for modern Neo and that probably a fair assumption. #4 is not an excuse for a DT bashing exercise, I love DT, just not that one and #5, what can I say - I only bought it because I liked the cover 
1. Sylvan - Presets
2. Frost - Milliontown
3. Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
4. Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Tubbylence
5. Quatermass - s/t
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limeyrob
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 16:30 |
Utah Man wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
you may have a third eye growing out of your forehead |
Well...how did you know ? I just didn't want to say anything for fear of being a victim of a "third eye on forehead" hate crime 
rushfan4 wrote:
Seriously though, I have bounced around the archives enough to know that there are many here that just don't like them for whatever their reasons.
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Yea...Progressive Rock aficionados are a very discerning, somewhat "one-of-a-kind" crowd.
anyway... Two things about Rush that I do appreciate: 1. Neil Peart is one of the finest drummers of all time . Quite possibly the best Hard Rock drummer ever...period ! 2. They're Canadian 
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Sorry but Neil Peart to my mind invented annoying drumming. As you have probably gathered by now one of my greatest hang ups with a lot of prog (as well as other stuff) is the dominance of the snare drum (or whatever it is called).
I reckon my collection will be double that it is now if it wasn't for the crap drumming/engineering that is so prevelant. I hear the samples and stop after a few seconds cos I know the rest of the album will be the same.
There's a lot of good things that comes out of Canada but Rush ain't one of them.
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Utah Man
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 16:01 |
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rushfan4
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 15:31 |
Actually, assimilation is the opposite of "freewill" so "or else" nothing.
It is just in my fanboy point of view you may have a third eye growing out of your forehead, but the only thing still significantly wrong with you is you don't like Rush. 
Seriously though, I have bounced around the archives enough to know that there are many here that just don't like them for whatever their reasons.  I wish it were different but we all have our own likes and dislikes and bands that float our boats.
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Utah Man
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Posted: November 20 2007 at 15:23 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Exactly. You must assimilate. | Or else . . . ?
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