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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hah... I'll toss ELP's first 6 into the kiddie.. every single one of the them severely underrated on this site. Then again this site is overrun with limp dicked Genesis fans so one could understand.. I guess..  why albums that are the antitesis of prog..  its greatest collection of talent... the greatest keyboardist in rock much less prog.. one of the very top handful of drummers to grace prog.. and one of the greatest vocalist in all rock (as well as a very underrated instrumental talent himself.. remember.. Fripp thought him better than himself) not to mention the one single group one could point to that made prog what it is.. and made it as popular as it once was.  

so ELP ain't cool.. and does nothing for my insomnia.. f**k them and give me my Genesis. Give it 3 stars.. yeah sure...
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He should have his own category all to himself.

I checked the ratings and there is only one Vangelis album (excluding compilations and box sets) with a rating over 4. I won't say which as you can have fun guessing which.
That means a whole raft of his albums are seemingly underrated.
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Originally posted by patrickq patrickq wrote:

Here’s a challenge: find an album rated 3.0 or less which you feel deserves four stars or five. 90125 (Yes) is the only one I can come up with at the moment, and it’s just barely below 3 (2.98).


We can't Dance from Genesis (2,66) is considered as a really poor album on this site. And I love it from beginning to end.
Jesus He Knows Me and I Can't Dance are the funny yet very enjoyable rock tracks ;
Hold On My Heart is bewitching ;
No Son Of Mine, Tell me why and Way Of The World are pretty good tracks as well ;
and Driving The Last Spike, Dreaming While You Sleep, Living Forever and Fading Lights for main course are all great prog tracks with incredible atmospheres.

I know most people here will disagree but I consider We Can't Dance one of the best Genesis album, right after Trick of The Tail, Nursery Crime, The Lamb, Foxtrot and in the same league than Wind and Wuthering, Trespass or the also "strangely" rated Duke. And Yes, ahead of Selling England ... Sacrilege !

I agree with Tapfret, albums are not underrated or overrated, they are just rated as people like them. I'm just happy to enjoy this album much more than the majority. It's like a hidden gem for me.


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I'm a fan of Sanguine Hum....I think all of their lp's are a bit underrated...
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Hello. New member, first post.

Gentle Giant - The Missing Piece (love this album) don't know why it is rated so low
Todd Rundgren - The Hermit of Mink Hollow
Sanguine Hum - Live in America
Allan Holdsworth - Atavachron
K2 - Black Garden
Puppet Show - The Tale of Woe (great prog from weekend warriors)
Adrian Belew - Twang Bar King

And... Marco Minnemann. Was his place in the PA archives deleted or did it ever exist? He is the most underrated prog musician on the planet. Pushing boundaries no one else can (maybe except Mike Keneally) and all his discs are easy 4 stars.


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hah... I'll toss ELP's first 6 into the kiddie.. every single one of the them severely underrated on this site. Then again this site is overrun with limp dicked Genesis fans so one could understand.. I guess..  why albums that are the antitesis of prog..  its greatest collection of talent... the greatest keyboardist in rock much less prog.. one of the very top handful of drummers to grace prog.. and one of the greatest vocalist in all rock (as well as a very underrated instrumental talent himself.. remember.. Fripp thought him better than himself) not to mention the one single group one could point to that made prog what it is.. and made it as popular as it once was.  

so ELP ain't cool.. and does nothing for my insomnia.. f**k them and give me my Genesis. Give it 3 stars.. yeah sure...
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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Sticking with those under 4.0 that I think should be over:


Spock's Beard
Snow


 

Probably fair.

My favourite by them is A Kindness Of Strangers which is also a bit light on the rating (3.75). My second favourite is Brief Nocturnes and Dreamless Sleep which hits an average rating of exactly 4 at the moment which is okay.
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Seadin, Vandaluz, Alpesa, Arboles, Mendigo, Calle Silvio, Arabiga, Taifa, Saraqusta, I would like to consider the albums of these bands as underrated on PA, but these bands are not on PA. Because PA don't write about these bands so these bands cannot be underrated, how cynical. And who cares about it on PA? Who knows about it on PA? Who writes about it on PA? And where are the Spanish progheads on PA? Silence ….


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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Sticking with those under 4.0 that I think should be over:


Kansas:
Masque

Spock's Beard
The Light
Snow

Yes:
Tales from Topographic Oceans

Definitely agree with these 4
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god that made my head hurt.. paybacks are hell..  thanks Pedro.. I probably earned that.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:


Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I just love it when a long track starts as a fugue and ends as a reggae

I love when a song starts out one way, and finishes pretty much any way other than how it started TongueCool.

I like how Gayle explained it about DJAM KARET ... they might start with an A or a B ... but it probably will end up in X, Y or Z!

If only most "progressive" folks would give that idea a thought or two, we might have less "songs" out there, and a heck of a lot more music!


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Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

Camel Harbour of Tears is absolutely one of the group's best-ever albums, an opinion that doesn't seem to be shared by many.

I feel the same way about dust and dreams.
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Sticking with those under 4.0 that I think should be over:

Asia:
XXX

Crack the Sky:
Crack the Sky

Dream Theater:
Black Clouds and Silver Linings
Distance Over Time

Fates Warning: 
No Exit
Inside Out

Haken:
Affinity

Steve Howe:
Turbulence

Jethro Tull:
A
Crest of a Knave

Kansas:
Masque
Monolith
Power
In the Spirit of Things
Somewhere to Elsewhere

Moody Blues: 
In Search of the Lost Chord
On the Threshold of a Dream
A Question of Balance
Every Good Boy Deserves Favour
Seventh Sojourn
Long Distance Voyager

Rush:
Fly by Night
Signals
Hold Your Fire
Power Windows
Roll the Bones
Clockwork Angels

Spock's Beard
The Light
Snow

Yes:
Tales from Topographic Oceans
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I just did a review of Merci, by Magma - the most underrated of underrated albums.
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Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

A recent lyrical concepts poll has Yes' Topographic Oceans trailing. Don't know why but it is. Maybe a poll with say 90125 would be interesting (lyrics wise). Thankfully I trust site users to be honest rather than playing fanboy politics  - that is really good.

Most bands and albums are underrated. All overrated mean is someone disagrees with a majority view. They can still be underrated.

As good and great as ELP were (Welcome Back is defining)... they had one slight flaw and that was song writing. As much as Keith Emerson could conjure up his masterpieces they still need a decent tune - which happens but this is where Yes and Genesis manage to nudge ahead. Genesis were a band of song writers and Yes had Jon Anderson with a little help from his chums. But frankly only Jon can really write good songs (until Trevor Rabin showed up). The others' material exist very well in prog land but not outside it.

Greg Lake could put together some songs . I had an album of his the one he did with Gary Moore - the openers of each side were killer - the rest... disappointing. Still, ELP played to their strengths. Works 2 a is a great example of an underrated album. Where do you get band with so much versatility? As performers of virtuoso music with out compare (love that 1997 Montreux DVD)...

Not sure Hendrix would have fitted in: Steve Howe would have been in interesting fixture.

HELP might have been a funny acronym but not as funny as the possibility of David Coverdale joining Lord, Ashton and Paice. Which he didn't - I think for that reason...


 

That Greg Lake album - the opener on Side One 'Nuclear Attack' was actually a Gary Moore song! But if you want to swap that for It Hurts (one of Lake's best songs) then fair enough on the point you are making.

It's a shame that Ride The Tiger never really got off the ground. That was an interesting collaboration between Lake and Geoff Downes. There is a mini LP that is worth checking out but they only did a handful of songs. The track Money Talks was re-worked for the ELP -Black Moon album and called Paper Blood btw.

Did you really mean Works 2 and not Volume One? Keith Emerson's Piano Concerto and Pirates are both brilliant while the Lake and Sinfield songs are interesting and varied. Palmer does a fair impression of Billy Cobham meets Buddy Rich on his solo side. The 2.75 rating or whatever it is could easily be 3.5 I believe although I truly understand why many (myself included) have just gone with the 3 out of 5 rating. When that happens the album average rating will always drag behind.

Yep Steve Howe and Keith Emerson had massive mutual respect. Emerson was interested in Howe replacing David O'List in The Nice before realising that he didn't really need another guitarist! I'm not sure that Howe working with ELP was ever a strong possibility which is a shame because it really would have worked.



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I thought of another, Crisis? What Crisis? by Supertramp. Not quite as good as Crime but I don't think there's a weak track on that album
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Camel Harbour of Tears is absolutely one of the group's best-ever albums, an opinion that doesn't seem to be shared by many.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

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Remember though that progressive rock in it's highest expression, and make no mistake.. this is it, is art. Art is supposed to be evaluated and reflected upon by each individual, and that is why this album has opinions ranging from.. the greatest musical work of the last 50 years to being on the top 10 list of worst albums ever made. If art and progressive rock are designed to provoke and stimulate.. then this album succeeds far more than any progressive rock album ever made.

I am of the opinion that the simplistic story of "lyrics" are the problem. Folks want lyrics like Cliff Notes and Wiki, so they don't have to read anything, or learn anything. just know what it is about.

TFTO is online with many spiritual works, that when you read them, you spend a long time looking at it and you either appreciate the point of view and learn more, or you go back to get drunk and stoned on sheepdip music, that tells you something, because you are too empty to imagine anything else!

I've said all along, it is the greatest single piece of work I have ever seen and appreciated in my life, and it is way up there with the title cut of YETI and a couple of other pieces. Even though it has lyrics, and I love them dearly, it is the completeness of it that is so strong, and so well done, that it is a shame that a drunkard's opinion has to factor and help separate the fans, and make it all worse. He was a part of it, and he should have appreciated it, and instead, he does not even have the guts to show/give us a different take on the piece of music, by coming up with new/different musical passages for it.

He is a typical high level college/university professor that thinks he knows his music and that makes him special! I'm tired of it! His solo stuff is middle class garbage!

that reminds me... oh poet laureate of PA's....

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Originally posted by maryes maryes wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Tales and In a Glass House deserve to be higher!
 
I agree and IMHO Kansas "The Point of Know Return" , Finch "The Glory of Inner Force" and "Beyond Expression", Modry Efekt "Svitanie" and "Svet Hledacu" , Focus "Hamburger Concerto  also deserves a better quotation !!!

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

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Remember though that progressive rock in it's highest expression, and make no mistake.. this is it, is art. Art is supposed to be evaluated and reflected upon by each individual, and that is why this album has opinions ranging from.. the greatest musical work of the last 50 years to being on the top 10 list of worst albums ever made. If art and progressive rock are designed to provoke and stimulate.. then this album succeeds far more than any progressive rock album ever made.

I am of the opinion that the simplistic story of "lyrics" are the problem. Folks want lyrics like Cliff Notes and Wiki, so they don't have to read anything, or learn anything. just know what it is about.

TFTO is online with many spiritual works, that when you read them, you spend a long time looking at it and you either appreciate the point of view and learn more, or you go back to get drunk and stoned on sheepdip music, that tells you something, because you are too empty to imagine anything else!

I've said all along, it is the greatest single piece of work I have ever seen and appreciated in my life, and it is way up there with the title cut of YETI and a couple of other pieces. Even though it has lyrics, and I love them dearly, it is the completeness of it that is so strong, and so well done, that it is a shame that a drunkard's opinion has to factor and help separate the fans, and make it all worse. He was a part of it, and he should have appreciated it, and instead, he does not even have the guts to show/give us a different take on the piece of music, by coming up with new/different musical passages for it.

He is a typical high level college/university professor that thinks he knows his music and that makes him special! I'm tired of it! His solo stuff is middle class garbage!

"Does the lamb cry out before we shoot it down? Once you know the secret, and can say it...is the movement really light? And I heard a million voices singing..."

Great post.

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I just love it when a long track starts as a fugue and ends as a reggae

I love when a song starts out one way, and finishes pretty much any way other than how it started TongueCool.

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I also think "World Record" is underrated. It's my #3 VdGG album (after "Pawn Hearts" and "H to He, Who Am The Only One"). It was also my first exposure to the music of VdGG.

Fantastic record. I, too, tend to forget about this one because of how it's bookended in their discography. Good catch!

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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I’ll throw in steely dans debut, imo it’s their best album

Big fan of that album especially side one. Not sure it's their best but certainly their most under rated. 
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