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    Posted: April 14 2020 at 08:59
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Wobbler. 

Hand Cannot Erase is only my 4th favourite SW album but it is very good.
 

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ should clarify that 'New music' to me is anything that I have not heard before or only a few listens. 

Same for me. New for me might be All Traps On Earth, or Thank You Scientist, or A Formal Horse, or Mercury Tree but it might also be stuff that I never paid much attention to until the last few years. Stuff like pre-DSOTM Pink Floyd, or Gentle Giant, or Happy The Man, or 70s Scorpions, or Greenslade.

So much stuff out there to explore and enjoy.
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^ should clarify that 'New music' to me is anything that I have not heard before or only a few listens. 
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I think it's ridiculous to draw a conclusion that people don't listen (or like) new music because they are voting for Wobbler over Wilson. Talk about throwing all your toys out of the pram because the result is not what you want.
I'm still finding a lot of stuff from the seventies that I had not listened to before and beginning to discover and enjoy. I do listen to a lot of new stuff and actually have limited time for constantly playing old stuff. My second favourite album is Close To The Edge but I haven't listened to it for years. Same is true of a lot of classic prog. Even ELP (my favourite band) generally only get the occasional listen and then its nearly always the same album. I devote probably 90% of my listening time to new music and I reckon for many here its the same.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

So how can we get those stuck in the past to try new things?
 
Actually, the majority of the music I listen to is from this century. And not new stuff from old bands, or even new stuff that sounds like old stuff, but genuinely new music. Although I'm old enough to have lived through the peak period of classic prog, I'm actually a little too young to have been into prog during this period, so perhaps I don't have quite the same level of attachment to classic prog as I might have if I were a few years older.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

So how can we get those stuck in the past to try new things?

Maybe new stuff that sounds old like the previously mentioned Raven and FSTS? Maybe for some people, but others will write it off as unoriginal which is very frustrating to me. Gonna go off on a tangent sort of...

It seems a lot of people believe that Neal Morse is the champion of modern prog while hes been just writing the same silly songs a little differently for years now. There's a ton of more original and, well, good prog coming out. I don't think all Morse is bad or anything but its just... idk how to describe it, its just goofy. I also think the abundance of neo-prog and prog-metal could certainly be a turn off to older symphonic/eclectic prog fans as that stuff is generally much different. Also I think their is an abundance of prog epics and 20+ minute songs in modern prog that can be a bit inaccessible, but thats just a minor gripe I have. It's just important to keep an open mind and understand you need to acquire the taste for lots of stuff. Speaking of acquiring the taste, I hated Gentle Giant for the longest time but I finally understood it after giving it time. I hated Opeth because of their vocals, but after really listening focused to Blackwater Park, it made sense. Even just recently I've gotten really into classic jazz and jazz fusion, two genres I disliked for the longest time. It's OK to have preferences, I prefer 70s prog myself. But to believe that an album like Close to the Edge or Thick as a Brick are the end all be all, pinnacles of prog that will never be topped is just close minded to me. However I think most active reviewers are pretty fair in what they rate and how they rate it. Having only one album after 1981 in the top 20 is a bit of a travesty to me though tbh.


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Probably new album from Genesis, VDGG, Yes, King Crimson or Gentle Giant would work haha. Honestly, no idea. It's a shame that a lot of great new bands won't get the recognition they deserve.
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So how can we get those stuck in the past to try new things?
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In my opinion HCE is superior compared to FSTS. I actually just listened former one and it still does not impress me as a full piece. There are a lot of great parts. For example, "Fermented hours" keyboards at 2.20. "Rendered..." is one of the best "fillers" at any album. "Foxlight" intro is straight Genesis in a good way. By any means it's not a bad album but for me it's missing the spark.

On the other hand, HCE is a full package. Emotional, epic and rather melancholic. It's the best album from the master mixer himself.

I agree that people live in the past on this site. I love 70's and it will always be my favourite era when it comes to music. Sometimes I just listen all King Crimson albums from ITCOTCK to Discipline in a row and feel mesmerized. I think people can have that possibility also in the modern music if they just cut the negative preconception out. Enjoy the great music my friends :)

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:


That’s no surprise to me, as obviously the classics among the list will always be more popular here on PA (which is alright!)

This is not right and is a major frustration with this website. It seems most people here do not even try listening to current music. They are living in the past, forever. I can't listen to the same music over and over, anymore than I could read the same book, watch the same movie, or eat at the same restaurant over and over. But most people here have no problem with it. It irritates me. Thanks for letting me vent on your post.


I think a problem is people some don’t want to like modern prog. It’s upsetting we will likely never see a prog album after 1990 cross into the top 10 just because of what time the album came out.

I know you don’t agree, but I would choose either of these with ease before any of our top 3 albums. Just because something isn’t as groundbreaking as close to the edge or court of the crimson king, doesn’t mean it cant reach the same highs.

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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:


That’s no surprise to me, as obviously the classics among the list will always be more popular here on PA (which is alright!)

This is not right and is a major frustration with this website. It seems most people here do not even try listening to current music. They are living in the past, forever. I can't listen to the same music over and over, anymore than I could read the same book, watch the same movie, or eat at the same restaurant over and over. But most people here have no problem with it. It irritates me. Thanks for letting me vent on your post.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

It looks like these two releases have the least amount of votes in your top 10 poll.

Went with SW but The Raven is a better album then Hand.


That’s no surprise to me, as obviously the classics among the list will always be more popular here on PA (which is alright!)

While I don’t agree raven is better, it’s a valid opinion that I can understand for sure.
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It looks like these two releases have the least amount of votes in your top 10 poll.

Went with SW but The Raven is a better album then Hand.

Edited by Grumpyprogfan - November 10 2019 at 10:21
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From Silence to Somewhere - Wobbler
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zwordser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2019 at 16:47
Well, cool, another chance to break with the majority:

I got FSTS, as it was getting really good reviews here on PA. I have listened, I think, three or four times.  If it is such a great album, its "greatness" hasn't grabbed me--at least, not yet. I hear a fairly decent album.  I'm still giving it its chance; it could be like several other albums that have grown on me the more I've listened.

H.C.E. to me is a gem of an album. Half the songs grabbed me right away, and the others have grown on me to the point of considering this one of my faves.

So, maybe its just that I've heard H.C.E. more, but it gets my vote.
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Originally posted by rooteen rooteen wrote:


One reason that HCE may be doing so poorly in this poll is the fact that most of the people voting are fans primarily of classic prog, the early 70s stuff. 

FSTS is a great album, but it's nowhere near as revolutionary HCE was (and still is).
 

I would have voted for any of the first SW albums over anything that Wobbler have done. I do like my classic prog bit I feel that HCE was a slight move to a more 'commercial' style so admittedly my prog snobbery kicks in a little at this point. However I do like the album a lot and its only a notch under the first 3 in my estimation. 
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Originally posted by rooteen rooteen wrote:

This is no contest. Hand. Cannot. Erase. takes the cake, and dramatically at that.

Hand. Cannot. Erase. is, in my opinion, one of the two best albums of all time (the other being Metropolis Pt. 2 by Dream Theater). The concept gets me rather emotional (something that isn't very common for me), but more importantly, I find this to be the perfect balance of ambience and virtuosity, simplicity and complexity. This albums perfect segues from one track to another, with no filler, no bulls***, and 66 minutes of baller music.

FSTS is great. It's definitely one of the best albums to be released in a while. But it pales in comparison to HCE.

One reason that HCE may be doing so poorly in this poll is the fact that most of the people voting are fans primarily of classic prog, the early 70s stuff. That's where I started, but opening my mind up to modern prog was the best thing I've ever done for my music tastes. Artists who are still truly progressive today (Steven Wilson, Thank You Scientist, Phideaux, Opeth, etc.) are still pushing music's boundaries today. There is no other album that sounds anything like HCE (which is a sad thing for me), combining pop, rock, jazz, psychedelia, and ambience in the same way.

FSTS is a great album, but it's nowhere near as revolutionary HCE was (and still is).


Great write up, though I prefer FSTS, I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. We’re dealing with two albums I consider perfect.
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This is no contest. Hand. Cannot. Erase. takes the cake, and dramatically at that.

Hand. Cannot. Erase. is, in my opinion, one of the two best albums of all time (the other being Metropolis Pt. 2 by Dream Theater). The concept gets me rather emotional (something that isn't very common for me), but more importantly, I find this to be the perfect balance of ambience and virtuosity, simplicity and complexity. This albums perfect segues from one track to another, with no filler, no bulls***, and 66 minutes of baller music.

FSTS is great. It's definitely one of the best albums to be released in a while. But it pales in comparison to HCE.

One reason that HCE may be doing so poorly in this poll is the fact that most of the people voting are fans primarily of classic prog, the early 70s stuff. That's where I started, but opening my mind up to modern prog was the best thing I've ever done for my music tastes. Artists who are still truly progressive today (Steven Wilson, Thank You Scientist, Phideaux, Opeth, etc.) are still pushing music's boundaries today. There is no other album that sounds anything like HCE (which is a sad thing for me), combining pop, rock, jazz, psychedelia, and ambience in the same way.

FSTS is a great album, but it's nowhere near as revolutionary HCE was (and still is).
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Both are really good but that Wobbler is GREAT!!!
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Wobbler by far!
From Silence to Somewhere is better than anything SW ever did.
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