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gulliman 
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 Topic: Steve Vai - classical/avant-gardePosted: September 28 2005 at 07:52 |
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Yes, it is released. The info must be on Vai's site... http://www.vai.com/
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 10:14 |
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I read about two years ago, that Mike Keneally (who replace Vai in Zappa's band as stunt guitarist) was transcribing Vai for the grande piano - did that album ever get released?
And I repeat: check out Vai's guest appearance on Surinder Sandhu's Saurang Orchestra album; it's a joy to hear him working with British jazz saxophonist Andy Sheppard, in some Indo jazz fusion pieces. http://www.resonator-records.com/surinder/records.html
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 07:38 |
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You should listen to the excerpt gullivan ... especially for Vai fans this is VERY rewarding. To hear Vai songs from Flexable to the Ultra Zone performed by a full orchestra, arranged by a real professional (van Kloet) ... A W E S O M E. My personal highlight is the piano rendition of "The God Eaters" right at the beginning of the excerpt. |
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gulliman
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 07:02 |
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You really should widen your horizons, so to speak, maidenrulez. I always wonder why most people listen to music "clothes" only? If something sounds "too different" they are all up to bash the thing. Why not to try a bit and listen closely to actual notes, how they are constructed/performed? With good music there are a LOT of goodies to discover under its "clothes". (By "clothes" I mean "arrangements" that usually dictate the style) And no, Vai is not AVANT in my book. The fact that he is so diverse doesn't make him avant in any way. Edited by gulliman |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 06:00 |
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I'm listening to it now....sounds great! And sampling CD's doesn't make something " Techno" Paul Gilbert does do covers of prog songs though! Right that 3 things covered! |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 05:26 |
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And you wonder why he called it the "Ultra Zone"? |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 05:16 |
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he is using them in SEVERAL songs + he is using stuff from about 20 cd's or something. Edited by maidenrulez |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 05:13 |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 05:04 |
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Nah i dont like that vai, in several of the songs is just using sample cd's and i just improvising some guitar licks over that...you dont have to be awfully clever to do that... |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 05:00 |
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^ Then don't blame it on Vai. Listen to the excerpt ... it was performed by a full orchestra + band, it's really amazing. |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:52 |
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ah i love tangerine dream...i guess it is the old synths and stuff that i like...but the 80s and 90s stuffi cant stand |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:51 |
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I've seen him live on the "Ultra World" tour and he played many songs from the Ultra Zone ... there were only very few samples and of course no drum loop or anything like that. The album is far from electronic/house. BTW: Tangerine Dream also used electronica a lot and nobody seems to mind. |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:43 |
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Yea well as long as it is REAL instruments on the cd...thats basically also why STEVE VAI and SATCH sounds so much better live than they do on record where the music tend to get a bit too "electronica inspired to me" |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:41 |
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^ check out is Flexable albums (there are samples in the archives). Tell me what you think about them - and the excerpt which I linked to in the first post.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:40 |
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check it out he lists a series of cd's wich he just samples everything's on and then plays guitar over it...and there are too few really cool guitar songs with nice solos...i think Jiboom or whatever the name is pretty cool but the rest is just drowning in some dreadful asian themes and chessy ballads like Ill be around. I also thinks that there are too few tracks on where it is used proper instruments instead of horrible electric drums...and i love avant-garde music |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:36 |
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Oh no ... it's happened again. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:34 |
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Maybe it was too Avant-Garde for you But there is NO techno whatsoever on that album, and NOTHING even close to boyzone. But I agree that some of the songs where he sings are a bit cheesy. But there are also some brilliant ones. |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:29 |
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the ULTRA zone |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:28 |
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I wonder which album it was ... |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:28 |
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And why do you got only 26 posts Mikeenregalia?
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Steve Vai - classical/avant-garde
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Dick Heath wrote:
The Ultra Zone is BRILLIANT! Yes, it's very diverse (a true melting pot of fusion, ethno, prog, blues, metal, pop... btw, that's why his music is so hard to categorize, at least for me that is), but every track on this album shines on its own. 
