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    Posted: April 04 2020 at 15:33
Yes, Kansas, more Floyd, Styx, maybe toss in Genesis and Crimson if he's feeling adventurous. I also came at prog from a classic rock side of things, and I feel like more melodic and commercial things have a better chance of not turning a classic rock fan away when it gets weird and proggy. The fact that he already loves Rush is a good sign. They were my first prog band as well.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I see no one has mentioned Van der Graaf Generator, so I will.
My recommendation: Pawn Hearts.
 
Some may say their music is not accessible enough for the beginner, but I don't buy into that viewpoint.
  

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I agree ... in most cases in my experience it has been the "surprise" factor that has gotten someone else involved in the progressive side of things ... if your friend is one of those folks that goes about chewing a toothpick and humming the beat, you might as well not bother (I guess!!! Never know!).  But if the person is a serious listener, that appreciates music, not just a song or two on each of the albums you mentioned (ask him!!!), then I say ... go for broke ... he probably has no idea how far music goes and can go.

I took a friend of mine that has a massive collection of progressive music, from the 90's mostly (I mean everything!) and it took me a couple of years to get his attention to hew music ... I started by playing the first cut from Pineapple Tree's Deadwing album full blast on my freshly re-conned speakers, and it got his attention. Then this and then that and then this ... today, he has no issue hearing the strangest, the weirdest and the craziest stuff, although I have not pressed MAGMA on him yet, but he knows I went to see them twice here in Portland ... so I think he has heard it ... but all in all, the best way ... is rip it at the top and don't choose ... DON'T CHOOSE ... unless you know things well, but otherwise, I would make a long poster on the wall and look for the albums listed and mark them on the wall ... and start at the beginning (around King Crimson likely!) and such, and see how he takes to it ... I remember that folks hated 20TH CENTURY SCHIZOID ACIDHOLE .... but 40 plus years later, many folks will be disappointed to go see KC if they do not play it! How times change!
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Kansas - Leftoverture (kind of an odd recommendation since it's not that common but I'll mention it anyway especially since Kansas is a band who are often unfairly left off these kinds of discussions)
Really great album for the beginners!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2020 at 16:34
I don't think there's anything good for "beginners" in general. People's connection to music is individual, what scores with one person may not score with another.

With love for Pearl Jam and the Chili Peppers he may get more easily into Cardiacs than into later Genesis or WYWH. More psychedelic stuff like Hawkwind or Amon Düül II may be worth a try, the Ummagumma live album, or even Can. Already mentioned: Porcupine Tree In Absentia and Deadwing, maybe King Crimson Red or Discipline...    
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Im going to second trick of the tail by genesis
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If he's a Rush fan he already listens to prog.

Try... 
Izz - Don't Panic
Big Big Train - English Electric Part One
Spock's Beard - V
Echolyn - The End is Beautiful
Sieges Even - Paramount
The Aristocrats - Culture Clash
Mike Keneally - Dancing
Dream Theater - Scenes from a Memory
Frank Zappa - One Size Fits All



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2020 at 15:13
That's tough because your dad seems to like direct, hard-hitting stuff, and classic prog of course often took a different approach.   I'd say some Tull might be in order, Aqualung or Minstrel in the Gallery would be a good place to sample, and maybe King Crimson's Discipline or Yes' Drama .

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I see no one has mentioned Van der Graaf Generator, so I will.
My recommendation: Pawn Hearts.
 
Some may say their music is not accessible enough for the beginner, but I don't buy into that viewpoint.
 
 
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

My recommendations for classic prog to beginners:
Pink Floyd: Dark Side Of the Moon
Genesis: Foxtrot
Yes: the Yes Album
ELP: s/t
Jethro Tull: Aqualung
King Crimson: In the Court Of the Crimson King

Also these are really great albums:
Procol Harum: Grand Hotel
Moody Blues: a Question Of Balance

Good choices....I would jump right in and have him listen to those classics that Mortte named.
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Originally posted by CalebBarth CalebBarth wrote:

Yeah, one of his favorite bands is Rush (forgot to mention them earlier), and he knows some Floyd stuff. He is familiar with later Phil Collins-lead Genesis
Is he a fan of all Rush or 80s/90s Rush? You might consider tossing in a listen to A Farewell to Kings or Hemispheres to bridge over to classic prog. 

Then will familiarity with Collins, go with A Trick of the Tail as a prog Genesis starter.
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Originally posted by CalebBarth CalebBarth wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I'm going to suggest that he give Opeth's Damnation a try.
 

Thank you I will check that out! Do you have any more classic prog (ELP, Yes, Genesis) reccomendations?


I was thinking "Did I misread your opening post?" and miss the classic expectation, but I see you edited it to specify classic prog (good to try to explicitly point out such edits to the post if someone responded else it looks like they got it wrong).

Anyway, perhaps he would like to try Pavlov's Dog (if mostly because the singer reminds me of Geddy Lee), maybe Gravy Train, and this I wanted to suggest before, but thought it might be a little out there, but it's a brilliant album I think, Khan's Space Shanty.

EDIT: Hopefully you might be able to get your dad to post here and tell us how it went. By the way, how familiar with Prog would you consider yourself to be? Of course you know your dad's tastes better than we do. It would be helpful to get a feel for what you yourself know in Prog.


Edited by Logan - April 03 2020 at 13:53
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Have to say also when there is "Caravan" poll going that their "In the Land Of Grey and Pink"-album is very good for the beginners. I would have been really glad, if someone had recommended it me in the eighties.
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Have to say about Floyd "Wish You Were Here" is ok album for the beginners, but I prefer "Animals" and "the Wall" much more. And if Floyd really hits, then "Meddle" and "Atom Heart Mother" are must!

WYWH is more representative of prog than DSOTM or the Wall(imo)and more accessible than Animals which is why I chose it. Meddle and AHM are very good too but a bit more psych sounding imo.
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BTW I am 47. And about the greatest 80-90 stuff, Sonic Youth is the best IMO!
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Have to say about Floyd "Wish You Were Here" is ok album for the beginners, but I prefer "Animals" and "the Wall" much more. And if Floyd really hits, then "Meddle" and "Atom Heart Mother" are must!
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Ha! He's even younger than me(in less than two weeks by four years; meaning I'll be 50 in less than two weeks). Anyway, just as I thought. Oh well, it's not about when you discover prog it's about making the discovery(no matter your age). Some of the bands he mentioned are good though. I wonder how many teens these days are getting into U2, Pearl Jam, Live, Smashing Pumpkins, Alice in Chains, RHCP, etc. Some good stuff back then. REM too. I'm actually still discovering some of that stuff. In fact I finally heard an album by Phish(that I borrowed from the library)a month ago or so.

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Originally posted by CalebBarth CalebBarth wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ Does he want to get into prog? Because if not, it looks like you are forcing your taste onto him. Nobody likes that. 
 


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ Does he want to get into prog? Because if not, it looks like you are forcing your taste onto him. Nobody likes that. 
 


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by CalebBarth CalebBarth wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by CalebBarth CalebBarth wrote:

Hey, So I am trying to get my dad into Prog and I want to find an album to show him, that has prog tendencies and shows him what prog is but it is a good introduction into it. His favorite bands are Pearl Jam, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Dave Matthews Band, and Van Halen, if that helps. 

It's kind of funny how we now live in a day and age when younger fans who are in their 20's(or teens)are more likely to discover prog than their parents(who are in their 40's or 50's).

Anyway, I suggest Porcupine Tree(Stupid Dream and later), The Mars Volta(John Fruscianted has guested with them so there's the RHCP connections), Umphrey's McGee(have jam band elements too) and maybe Riverside. Not sure what else. There's a lot out there and others on here will probably be able to make more recommendations.

There's also the classics. How aware of prog is he? Is he at least somewhat familiar with Yes, Genesis, Rush and Pink Floyd. My guess would be he at least knows the last two fairly well.
 



Yeah, one of his favorite bands is Rush (forgot to mention them earlier), and he knows some Floyd stuff. He is familiar with later Phil Collins-lead Genesis

If you don't mind me asking how old is your dad(sorry I'm a demographics freak ;)). He's probably around my age and most people my age weren't exposed to much prog unfortunately and so often don't discover the genre at al. Anyway, I would suggest for him to dig deeper into Floyd(the more obscure stuff ie pre Dark Side), older Rush(70's stuff), earlier Genesis(PG era and pre 80's in general)and also Yes(the band called Yes)especially their 70's material and also maybe ELP. So basically explore the "basics" first. 

To the more modern bands I mentioned earlier I'll also add Marillion to the list(even though these days they are technically hardly "modern"). He possibly knows the song "Kayleigh" so maybe the misplaced childhood or clutching at straws album from them.

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Essential prog listening for the beginner:

Yes - Close to the Edge
Pink Floyd - Wish you were Here
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
Rush - Moving Pictures (or hemispheres)
Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
ELP- same
Jethro Tull - Thick as a brick (or aqualung)
Kansas - Leftoverture (kind of an odd recommendation since it's not that common but I'll mention it anyway especially since Kansas is a band who are often unfairly left off these kinds of discussions)



 



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Originally posted by CalebBarth CalebBarth wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by CalebBarth CalebBarth wrote:

Hey, So I am trying to get my dad into Prog and I want to find an album to show him, that has prog tendencies and shows him what prog is but it is a good introduction into it. His favorite bands are Pearl Jam, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Dave Matthews Band, and Van Halen, if that helps. 

It's kind of funny how we now live in a day and age when younger fans who are in their 20's(or teens)are more likely to discover prog than their parents(who are in their 40's or 50's).

Anyway, I suggest Porcupine Tree(Stupid Dream and later), The Mars Volta(John Fruscianted has guested with them so there's the RHCP connections), Umphrey's McGee(have jam band elements too) and maybe Riverside. Not sure what else. There's a lot out there and others on here will probably be able to make more recommendations.

There's also the classics. How aware of prog is he? Is he at least somewhat familiar with Yes, Genesis, Rush and Pink Floyd. My guess would be he at least knows the last two fairly well.
 



Yeah, one of his favorite bands is Rush (forgot to mention them earlier), and he knows some Floyd stuff. He is familiar with later Phil Collins-lead Genesis

If you don't mind me asking how old is your dad(sorry I'm a demographics freak ;)). He's probably around my age and most people my age weren't exposed to much prog unfortunately and so often don't discover the genre at all. Anyway, I would suggest for him to dig deeper into Floyd(the more obscure stuff ie pre Dark Side), older Rush(70's stuff), earlier Genesis(PG era and pre 80's in general)and also Yes(the band called Yes)especially their 70's material and also maybe ELP. So basically explore the "basics" first. 

To the more modern bands I mentioned earlier I'll also add Marillion to the list(even though these days they are technically hardly "modern"). He possibly knows the song "Kayleigh" so maybe the misplaced childhood or clutching at straws album from them.

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Essential prog listening for the beginner:

Yes - Close to the Edge
Pink Floyd - Wish you were Here
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
Rush - Moving Pictures (or hemispheres)
Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
ELP- same
Jethro Tull - Thick as a brick (or aqualung)
Kansas - Leftoverture (kind of an odd recommendation since it's not that common but I'll mention it anyway especially since Kansas is a band who are often unfairly left off these kinds of discussions)





Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - April 03 2020 at 13:28
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