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Sacro_Porgo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 15 2019 Location: Cygnus Status: Offline Points: 2062 |
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Yes, Kansas, more Floyd, Styx, maybe toss in Genesis and Crimson if he's feeling adventurous. I also came at prog from a classic rock side of things, and I feel like more melodic and commercial things have a better chance of not turning a classic rock fan away when it gets weird and proggy. The fact that he already loves Rush is a good sign. They were my first prog band as well.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18572 |
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Hi, (Welcome to the Board) I agree ... in most cases in my experience it has been the "surprise" factor that has gotten someone else involved in the progressive side of things ... if your friend is one of those folks that goes about chewing a toothpick and humming the beat, you might as well not bother (I guess!!! Never know!). But if the person is a serious listener, that appreciates music, not just a song or two on each of the albums you mentioned (ask him!!!), then I say ... go for broke ... he probably has no idea how far music goes and can go. I took a friend of mine that has a massive collection of progressive music, from the 90's mostly (I mean everything!) and it took me a couple of years to get his attention to hew music ... I started by playing the first cut from Pineapple Tree's Deadwing album full blast on my freshly re-conned speakers, and it got his attention. Then this and then that and then this ... today, he has no issue hearing the strangest, the weirdest and the craziest stuff, although I have not pressed MAGMA on him yet, but he knows I went to see them twice here in Portland ... so I think he has heard it ... but all in all, the best way ... is rip it at the top and don't choose ... DON'T CHOOSE ... unless you know things well, but otherwise, I would make a long poster on the wall and look for the albums listed and mark them on the wall ... and start at the beginning (around King Crimson likely!) and such, and see how he takes to it ... I remember that folks hated 20TH CENTURY SCHIZOID ACIDHOLE .... but 40 plus years later, many folks will be disappointed to go see KC if they do not play it! How times change!
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I don't think there's anything good for "beginners" in general. People's connection to music is individual, what scores with one person may not score with another. With love for Pearl Jam and the Chili Peppers he may get more easily into Cardiacs than into later Genesis or WYWH. More psychedelic stuff like Hawkwind or Amon Düül II may be worth a try, the Ummagumma live album, or even Can. Already mentioned: Porcupine Tree In Absentia and Deadwing, maybe King Crimson Red or Discipline...
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dougmcauliffe ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
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Im going to second trick of the tail by genesis
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: KC Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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If he's a Rush fan he already listens to prog.
Try... Izz - Don't Panic Big Big Train - English Electric Part One Spock's Beard - V Echolyn - The End is Beautiful Sieges Even - Paramount The Aristocrats - Culture Clash Mike Keneally - Dancing Dream Theater - Scenes from a Memory Frank Zappa - One Size Fits All |
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That's tough because your dad seems to like direct, hard-hitting stuff, and classic prog of course often took a different approach. I'd say some Tull might be in order, Aqualung or Minstrel in the Gallery would be a good place to sample, and maybe King Crimson's Discipline or Yes' Drama . |
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I see no one has mentioned Van der Graaf Generator, so I will.
My recommendation: Pawn Hearts. Some may say their music is not accessible enough for the beginner, but I don't buy into that viewpoint. |
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Good choices....I would jump right in and have him listen to those classics that Mortte named. ![]() |
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Is he a fan of all Rush or 80s/90s Rush? You might consider tossing in a listen to A Farewell to Kings or Hemispheres to bridge over to classic prog. Then will familiarity with Collins, go with A Trick of the Tail as a prog Genesis starter.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38550 |
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I was thinking "Did I misread your opening post?" and miss the classic expectation, but I see you edited it to specify classic prog (good to try to explicitly point out such edits to the post if someone responded else it looks like they got it wrong). Anyway, perhaps he would like to try Pavlov's Dog (if mostly because the singer reminds me of Geddy Lee), maybe Gravy Train, and this I wanted to suggest before, but thought it might be a little out there, but it's a brilliant album I think, Khan's Space Shanty. EDIT: Hopefully you might be able to get your dad to post here and tell us how it went. By the way, how familiar with Prog would you consider yourself to be? Of course you know your dad's tastes better than we do. It would be helpful to get a feel for what you yourself know in Prog. Edited by Logan - April 03 2020 at 13:53 |
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Mortte ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 11 2016 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 5538 |
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Have to say also when there is "Caravan" poll going that their "In the Land Of Grey and Pink"-album is very good for the beginners. I would have been really glad, if someone had recommended it me in the eighties.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19273 |
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WYWH is more representative of prog than DSOTM or the Wall(imo)and more accessible than Animals which is why I chose it. Meddle and AHM are very good too but a bit more psych sounding imo.
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Mortte ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 11 2016 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 5538 |
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BTW I am 47. And about the greatest 80-90 stuff, Sonic Youth is the best IMO!
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Mortte ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 11 2016 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 5538 |
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Have to say about Floyd "Wish You Were Here" is ok album for the beginners, but I prefer "Animals" and "the Wall" much more. And if Floyd really hits, then "Meddle" and "Atom Heart Mother" are must!
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19273 |
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Ha! He's even younger than me(in less than two weeks by four years; meaning I'll be 50 in less than two weeks). Anyway, just as I thought. Oh well, it's not about when you discover prog it's about making the discovery(no matter your age). Some of the bands he mentioned are good though. I wonder how many teens these days are getting into U2, Pearl Jam, Live, Smashing Pumpkins, Alice in Chains, RHCP, etc. Some good stuff back then. REM too. I'm actually still discovering some of that stuff. In fact I finally heard an album by Phish(that I borrowed from the library)a month ago or so.
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We are playing the music that each of us likes to see if our horizons can be expanded
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CalebBarth ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2020 Location: Home Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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He is 46
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19273 |
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If you don't mind me asking how old is your dad(sorry I'm a demographics freak ;)). He's probably around my age and most people my age weren't exposed to much prog unfortunately and so often don't discover the genre at all. Anyway, I would suggest for him to dig deeper into Floyd(the more obscure stuff ie pre Dark Side), older Rush(70's stuff), earlier Genesis(PG era and pre 80's in general)and also Yes(the band called Yes)especially their 70's material and also maybe ELP. So basically explore the "basics" first. To the more modern bands I mentioned earlier I'll also add Marillion to the list(even though these days they are technically hardly "modern"). He possibly knows the song "Kayleigh" so maybe the misplaced childhood or clutching at straws album from them. Edit: Essential prog listening for the beginner: Yes - Close to the Edge Pink Floyd - Wish you were Here King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King Rush - Moving Pictures (or hemispheres) Genesis - Selling England by the Pound ELP- same Jethro Tull - Thick as a brick (or aqualung) Kansas - Leftoverture (kind of an odd recommendation since it's not that common but I'll mention it anyway especially since Kansas is a band who are often unfairly left off these kinds of discussions) Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - April 03 2020 at 13:28 |
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