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Kleynan
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Topic: Thick As A Brick overrated? Posted: August 09 2006 at 10:50 |
Maybe a little overrated. But only because they made A Passion Play, which is much better.
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 07:10 |
I recall I disliked this album much when I listened to it long time ago, but I just loaned it from the library for relistening. In my opinion JT's best releases come from the 60's.
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 07:02 |
Actually, six first minutes of each movement are excellent. Unfortunatly, after it becomes repetitive, flat, uninspired...

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Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:28 |
My main problem with this type of thread is that when you say that an album is "overrated," you are not just commenting on YOUR reaction to that album (which you have every right to do), but also on OTHERS' reaction to that album (which you have no real right to do).
I (like many others here) was one of the people who took the time to review and rate TAAB. I carefully thought about my rating before assigning it, as I do for all of my reviews. When you write that TAAB is "overrated" here, you are, through your ill-advised choice of words (and whether you mean to or not), attacking my (and others') integrity re my review and rating of the album, as well as my taste in music.
I really think "overrated" is a DUMB, confrontational word to use for describing an album's status here: I can imagine an album, book, restaurant, etc being "overrated" by an individual reviewer when there is a bribe given by those who wish to sell more of their product (in radio, this is known as "payola"). I can even imagine, for example, a building or bridge's value or safety being "overrated" in the same manner -- money changes hands, and the building or bridge is made to appear more valuable/safer than it really is.
BUT: I (as with ALL who review here) receive NO PAYMENT WHATSOEVER for my reviews and opinions. I am a volunteer -- a non-professional critic with absolutely no vested interest in delivering anything but my honest opinion of an album. I gave TAAB five stars, because I really DO like it that much. I enjoy it as much as I enjoy ANY album. To say that YOU don't care for a popular album is one thing, but to imply that I (and all others who love the album) should not like it as much as I do, and rate it as highly as I do, or that I am somehow misinformed, or being deceptive, is arrogant and confrontational in the extreme.
This thread REALLY says that the topic originator does not like this popular album very much. So why not just say that (if you must)? Review the album yourself -- address this grave injustice -- but stop using the word "overrated."
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 08:58 |
Aaarrgh!
By "overrated," do you mean that I (and many others) don't like the album as well as I say I do, and that when I reviewed, I gave it an inflated rating on purpose?
Perhaps you think you can "teach" me not to like it as much as I do?
No offense, but these "overrated' topics are really DUMB. Do you think there's a pro-TAAB conspiracy, or something, or that all the numerous fans of this classic album are deluded, or just not as perceptive as yourself?
What are you really trying to say? "This is a very popular album, but I don't like it very much." Who cares? 
I love TAAB and I always will. This thread won't change that, or my rating of the album.
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 08:30 |
TAAB is one of the top 5 albums of all time. I don't think Genesis had anything as exciting. Only Foxtrot would be up there. It's definately the best song of all time. The first 20 minutes is unbeatable and the last 20 minutes is not far behind
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 16:55 |
Sacred 22 wrote:
ken4musiq wrote:
This was Anderson's need to provev that he could write a through composed concept album. And he did it better than anyone else. |
The funny thing, the band says in the interview on the re-master that thier was no plan or idea, it just came together. They said that the cover art took longer than the actual music. It seems to me that they kind of put this thing together on the fly, another words it's jammed out. Sorry, maybe I just don't get it. Ya, lots of notes and timing changes, but then so does a good jazz jam with good musicans.
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I think we are both right. The band wanted to prove that they could do this 'through composed' album, for lack of a better term. The satire is the concept and holds that album together.
Anderson really kept a tight control over the band from what I have read. He said about Songs from the Wood that the album worked well because he had freed the reigns of the musicians and let them do what they want for a change. That being said, listening to Anderson's work in the 1980s, one can readily see what these musicians brought to the table.
Why would somebody criticize Thick as a Brick? It is ingeniously witty in its satire, wonderfully lyrical musically and the ensemble is really playing at some of progs best. If you are going to talk about jazz or any other music we can criticize most prog saying, the music is not fully integrated and organic like classical composition says it should be; the playing often lacks what the great jazz masters brought to the table. It is often pretentious and overblown. Hey, on all three accounts, that's what I like about the music. 
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 14:12 |
Definitely yes, overrated.
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 14:04 |
gentletull wrote:
but i dont think tool would have 10 songs I would rate as good 
good=8/10 |
But more people would listen to them.
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 14:03 |
No it's not, its a progressiv masterpiece.
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 05:03 |
In my opinion YES IT IS!
It's a great album, of course, but here in prog archives is surely overrated, I don't think it could be considered one of the best 10 prog albums of all the times, probably one of the best 25!
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 04:36 |
but i dont think tool would have 10 songs I would rate as good 
good=8/10
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Posted: April 17 2006 at 21:48 |
gentletull wrote:
give me tools best 10 songs and it would only make an album 1/2 as good as TAAB. Thanks ;) |

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Posted: April 17 2006 at 21:46 |
give me tools best 10 songs and it would only make an album 1/2 as good as TAAB. Thanks ;)
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Posted: April 17 2006 at 14:27 |
chamberry wrote:
Thick as a brick is not overrated, but A passion play sure is underrated
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Ditto!
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Posted: April 17 2006 at 12:45 |
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How is it overated in the world of progressicve rock?
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Posted: April 17 2006 at 12:17 |
gentletull wrote:
TAAB is musically stronger than the whole careers of any rock band that has formed after 1980 :). It's also better than most rock bands careers formed before 1980 ;) |
What a typical fanboy response. That statement is so preposterous it is laughable.
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Posted: April 17 2006 at 12:11 |
It's over-rated.
Aqualung and a Minstrel in the Gallery were much better.
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Posted: April 17 2006 at 11:03 |
Definately not! It's the greatest album Tull ever did, and one of the greatest rock albums ever!
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Posted: April 17 2006 at 10:17 |
No overrated. This album is to me the perfection of progressive rock.
Overrated is dull most of the times. Even if you don't like the
top ten albuns, you can't deny that the inspiration and musicianship of
the members of the band are superb.
Overrated should be used to describe artists who make (or made) success
because of other things rather than their musical talent (as
appearance, "rebel without a cause" behaviour, sexual appeal, great
media exposure or things like that)
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