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WaywardSon 
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 Topic: What about David Bowie
Posted: November 15 2006 at 18:18 |
People say "Where is the prog?" , then people spend their time explaining (like tdbark) saying which albums and which songs..
Then the next post says "No! No! He doesn´t belong here!'
This is just so damn frustrating..
Another prog song would be "Wild Eyed boy from feecloud" off Space Oddity.
Prog Related at the least
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tdbark
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Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:21 |
NO! You would not have to include those groups. Understand that while good, those groups (and John) did nothing to really stretch beyond their immediate style of music. Bowie was and is different.
I would include the following albums as Progressive:
The Man Who Sold the World
Diamond Dogs
Low
"Heroes"
Outside
and the following songs are examples from other albums:
Cygnet Commitee
Station to Station
There are more but I cannot think of them right now.
Listen to these albums.... You hear a theme and a particular fullness to a vision. The music is challenging and is at times expansive and fully realized progressive songs.
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Posted: October 11 2006 at 13:12 |
David Bowie is great, but if we include him in PA then we'll have to include...T Rex.....then....The Sweet....thennn....ELTON JOHN!!!!AAAARRRRRGGGHHHH  ...and then....good
bye MF!!! 
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KeyserSoze
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Posted: October 11 2006 at 13:08 |
 Easy Livin wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
Prog or not, David Bowie kicks ass. |
Forgive me Wiz for picking up on your post to make a general point.
A few of the posts here focus merely on how "good" Bowie is, and how much people like his music. Such comments, while understandable and well intended, do not further the cause for him to be added. The imply that people want him added because the like his music, not because he fits here. This actually helps the case of those who don't want to see him (or whoever we are discussing) added.
This not intended a criticism, just a pointer. |
Isn't that case of Iron Maiden? They were added because many people like their in my opinion naive and immature metal music. I think that category "prog-related" is a disaster for this site because now we'll get questions like why Bowie isn't included when Iron Maiden are?
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Easy Livin
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Posted: October 11 2006 at 09:56 |
The Wizard wrote:
Prog or not, David Bowie kicks ass. |
Forgive me Wiz for picking up on your post to make a general point.
A few of the posts here focus merely on how "good" Bowie is, and how much people like his music. Such comments, while understandable and well intended, do not further the cause for him to be added. The imply that people want him added because the like his music, not because he fits here. This actually helps the case of those who don't want to see him (or whoever we are discussing) added.
This not intended a criticism, just a pointer.
Edited by Easy Livin - October 11 2006 at 09:57
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Zargus
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Posted: October 11 2006 at 04:28 |
Queen & Deep purple here but not Bowie! Thats %&¤#" joke!
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fairyliar
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Posted: October 10 2006 at 07:51 |
I agree that some stuff (with Eno) are prog and that in the path he has taken with music he also represents a progressive vision of music.
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Posted: October 04 2006 at 07:36 |
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one of the greatest artists of 20th century!
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Leningrad
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:54 |
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I just got a Bowie CD two days ago, and it rules.
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yesfan88
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 19:03 |
The Wizard wrote:
Prog or not, David Bowie kicks ass. |
Yes! And I think he's prog-related. He's quite experimental.
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 20:35 |
I heard master list some where, probably dreamt of it or something
Oh well its not my problem anyway...carry on
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The Wizard
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 19:51 |
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Prog or not, David Bowie kicks ass.
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 19:48 |
Australian wrote:
I have an idea, how about we work on the inclusion of bands already on the master list before suggesting anyone new.
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hmmmm.....
nah....  
what master list?.... we just add them when we find them...
discussion is a good thing 
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 19:37 |
I have an idea, how about we work on the inclusion of bands already on the master list before suggesting anyone new.
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 06:03 |
WaywardSon wrote:
Seems like this thread is in the wrong place and should be in the Suggest new bands section.
But really., there have been tons of "Is Bowie Prog?" threads.
I think we spend far too much time on categorisations, and not enough time talking about the artist.
I also believe he is Art Rock or Prog Related in some way. |
Point well taken, Greg - and thread moved!
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 05:53 |
But somehow I could not possibly imagine Bowie really included.
Should he be, it should not be in a full blown prog category. >> prog-related at best as is Roxy Music
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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WaywardSon
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Posted: September 29 2006 at 11:08 |
Seems like this thread is in the wrong place and should be in the Suggest new bands section.
But really., there have been tons of "Is Bowie Prog?" threads.
I think we spend far too much time on categorisations, and not enough time talking about the artist.
I also believe he is Art Rock or Prog Related in some way.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 29 2006 at 09:19 |
Certif1ed wrote:
With hindsight, it's quite obvious that his music fits the Art Rock description better than "Glam" or "Glitter" rock.
That fashion passed away decades ago, and Bowie moved on - many, many times. His recent music has little in common with T-Rex, The Glitter Band, The Sweet, Slade or any of that crowd.
His constant re-invention and willingess to experiment puts him firmly in Art Rock.
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You do have a point. I always consider Bowie's oeuvre mainly under his 70's glam thing and the last album I really heard (against my will I must say) is that horrible Let's Dance. But nowadays, that period represent a small percebtage of his total works.
I've heard bits and pieces on the radio after the mid-80's, but it is very limited compared to his entire later discography. I am not so sure that he was that experimental, though, he tried to be alternative (not in the indie rock sense, though) for sure, though!!
as for Glam (which was used loosely after that period which ended roughly with Punk's arrival) it seems that there is a revival lately
then there was also that glam metal scene in the second part of the 80's which was also called HairMetal
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Phil
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Posted: September 29 2006 at 09:05 |
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"Heroes" and "Low" both of which feature Eno are great albums and I think warrant a "progressive" tag. The rest of his work is great but not prog.
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cuncuna
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Posted: September 28 2006 at 11:27 |
Certif1ed wrote:
With hindsight, it's quite obvious that his music fits the Art Rock description better than "Glam" or "Glitter" rock.
That fashion passed away decades ago, and Bowie moved on - many, many times. His recent music has little in common with T-Rex, The Glitter Band, The Sweet, Slade or any of that crowd.
His constant re-invention and willingess to experiment puts him firmly in Art Rock.
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More important: he's not stuck on the past. His recent colaboration with Trent Reznor produced an incredible album. His constant dedication to grow within his own art is the reason why he is not extinct as creator, while other musicians insist in keep emulating a decade that is long gone already.
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