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Topic: Which album personify their band? Posted: January 11 2005 at 07:00 |
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I've been giving this some thought myself, and I've come to agree with Swinton; Force Majeure DOES personify Tangerine Dream. I would previously have opted for Rubycon, probably because that was my first TD purchase, but actually it's not that representative of the band's output as a whole. Force Majeure is like a patchwork quilt that has elements of more or less everything TD did up to 1984 (with the possible exception of Zeit, although you could say the inclusion of cello is a brief nod to that immense classic). Plus, of course, it's a superb album in its own right. |
On closer reflection,I agree about "Force Majeur". It does have bits of everything TD had been up to then and were to become in the early 80's and despite the drums which I absolutely HATE I would probably recommend that album as a starter for people who were TD novices.
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Posted: January 11 2005 at 06:53 |
I've been giving this some thought myself, and I've come to agree with Swinton; Force Majeure DOES personify Tangerine Dream. I would previously have opted for Rubycon, probably because that was my first TD purchase, but actually it's not that representative of the band's output as a whole. Force Majeure is like a patchwork quilt that has elements of more or less everything TD did up to 1984 (with the possible exception of Zeit, although you could say the inclusion of cello is a brief nod to that immense classic). Plus, of course, it's a superb album in its own right.
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Posted: January 11 2005 at 06:39 |
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"I don't think FM is the quintessential TD album or the one that personifies them"
Simply true!!! It depends also about the periods of creativity. From the Virgin / classic years the album that defines to the best TD's music is probably "Stratosfear"
About the quintessential TD album, without any doubts I would like to say "ZEIT"
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"Zeit" is certainly spectacular,and I would also say it's a quintessential TD album,but it's not really representative is it? They only did that type of music for a few years in the very early 70's,already by 73 that phase of their history was,well,history. For the most part of their 34 years as a recording band they have done very little that resembles "Zeit" so I don't think it can personify them since it represents what they sounded like at a very brief moment of their long career. It's impossible to choose just one album which personifies them,but one from each period or phase could be a more feasible project. I have to mull that over and see what I come up with.![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Posted: January 11 2005 at 06:17 |
"I don't think FM is the quintessential TD album or the one that personifies them"
Simply true!!! It depends also about the periods of creativity. From the Virgin / classic years the album that defines to the best TD's music is probably "Stratosfear"
About the quintessential TD album, without any doubts I would like to say "ZEIT"
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Posted: January 11 2005 at 03:28 |
No disputation from me on the merits of "Force Majeur" as a very good album in it's own right (except for those annoying drums,maybe!) and now that I have had time to think about it some more,it might serve just as well as any other of their albums as a sort of summing up TD album since their musical canvas is broader than most bands and so they're much more difficult to pin down and define. I have more than 60 TD albums ranging from the very experimental to the most radiofriendly and I find it impossible to choose just one that personifies them but since FM was made smack in the middle of what many think of as TD's classic period (74 to 84) it might serve as the best personification TD album we're likely to find in their vast production.![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 13:54 |
Sorry Pixel "me owd china", It's my favourite TD Album - I have heard a lot and have used their music as a mood setting rather than a "Listen to CD" - But Force Majeur is main-stream prog and I would put it in my top 100 Prog albums.....
I know that TD are your thing...I bow to your superia knowledge !
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 09:22 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
- Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
- Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans
- Camel - Moonmadness
- Greenslade - Bedside manners are extra
- ELP - Tarkus
- Floyd - Wish you were here
- IQ - Subterranea
- Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure
- Marillion - Misplaced childhood
- Twelfth Night - Live at the Target
- The Enid - Aerie faerie Nonsense
- Dream Theatre - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
- Spocks Beard - Beware of Darkness
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I have to take issue with your inclusion of "Force Majeure",Swinton. FM is a one off album by TD,it stands alone in the TD canon,it has it's roots in the previous albums they had made by then (1979) and some tentative feelers towards the future,but it really sounds like little else they have ever done. For one thing it has drums,something which had only appeared on one previous TD album ("Cyclone") and wasn't to resurface until many years later and then in more eclectic percussion varieties than the very straightforward standard drumkit that Klaus Krieger plays on FM. And he does play a rather annoying disco type hi hat which was all the rage then which dates the album considerably and Edgar Froese's guitar is featured rather prominently which hadn't been that often in TD's history until then and was entirely absent on most of the classic 80's albums with the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line up so I don't think FM is the quintessential TD album or the one that personifies them. The problem with TD of course is that they have had such a long career with so many different phases and these phases are sometimes wildly different from each other,sometimes so much so that you can't even believe that it's TD you're listening to. That makes it very difficult to pick just one album that truly sums them up.
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 08:59 |
- Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
- Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans
- Camel - Moonmadness
- Greenslade - Bedside manners are extra
- ELP - Tarkus
- Floyd - Wish you were here
- IQ - Subterranea
- Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure
- Marillion - Misplaced childhood
- Twelfth Night - Live at the Target
- The Enid - Aerie faerie Nonsense
- Dream Theatre - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
- Spocks Beard - Beware of Darkness
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 08:46 |
What defines King Crimson IMO is no longer In the court. Their sound has changed so much since then...maybe it defines prog, but in NO WAY does it define the band. I would day more likely that Discipline defines their sound than anything...
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 04:19 |
Have to disagree with you about in absentia there cinema, since it is
very different from everthing else they've ever done, I'd go with
signify
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 01:17 |
Yes - Going For The One Genesis - Selling England By The Pound Glass Hammer - Lex Rex Neal Morse - One Pink Floyd - Animals Happy The Man - Crafty Hands Porcupine Tree - In Absentia Bill Bruford - One Of A Kind Rick Wakeman - Journey To The Center Of The Earth 10cc - How Dare You A Triggering Myth - Forgiving Eden
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 18:47 |
King Crimson - ITCOTCK, I don't know why you say Red...
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 18:38 |
On the italian side:
PFM: Storia di un minuto
RDM: Contaminazione
New trolls: Concerto grosso #1
Banco: Banco del mutuo soccorso (the first)
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 15:40 |
Reed Lover wrote:
threefates wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
madgo2 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
ELP-Love Bitch
King Crimson-ITCHYCOCK
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Wow Reed what great input, and from a University boy! What was the school, University of People with way too much time on their hands???![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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![Ouch](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)
Well I thought it was quite witty given one forum member's obsession.![Cry](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)
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Actually it looks like my obsession has become your obsession.... doesn't it!! ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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How d'ya Know I was on about you? ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Uhh... let me see... cause you're generally on about me... cause its ELP/KC... and well it sure wasn't GDUB.....
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 15:27 |
threefates wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
madgo2 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
ELP-Love Bitch
King Crimson-ITCHYCOCK
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Wow Reed what great input, and from a University boy! What was the school, University of People with way too much time on their hands???![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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![Ouch](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)
Well I thought it was quite witty given one forum member's obsession.![Cry](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)
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Actually it looks like my obsession has become your obsession.... doesn't it!! ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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How d'ya Know I was on about you? ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 15:24 |
Well, if we must...
PF - Animals Moody Blues - A Question of Balance (or Threshold of a Dream) Kind Crimson - In the Court Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick Yes - Close to the Edge (or The Yes Album) Genesis - Foxtrot (or Selling England) Gentle Giant - In A Glass House VDGG - Pawn Hearts ELP - Trilogy (or BSS) Marillion - Script (Fish), Brave (Hogarth) The Church - Priest=Aura (or Forget Yourself) Zappa - way too many.
For my money, those are the albums that "personify" the bands in question.
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 14:54 |
King Crimson - ITCOTCK (obviously...... remember? best prog album ever...)
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 14:48 |
Reed Lover wrote:
madgo2 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
ELP-Love Bitch
King Crimson-ITCHYCOCK
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Wow Reed what great input, and from a University boy! What was the school, University of People with way too much time on their hands???![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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![Ouch](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)
Well I thought it was quite witty given one forum member's obsession.![Cry](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)
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Actually it looks like my obsession has become your obsession.... doesn't it!! ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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THIS IS ELP
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 14:29 |
madgo2 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
ELP-Love Bitch
King Crimson-ITCHYCOCK
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Wow Reed what great input, and from a University boy! What was the school, University of People with way too much time on their hands???![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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![Ouch](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)
Well I thought it was quite witty given one forum member's obsession.![Cry](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 14:24 |
Reed Lover wrote:
ELP-Love Bitch
King Crimson-ITCHYCOCK
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Wow Reed what great input, and from a University boy! What was the school, University of People with way too much time on their hands???![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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