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zicIy 
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 Topic: Most representative band of the 70's
Posted: May 20 2008 at 04:33 |
 b_olariu wrote:
Jethro Tull for me, one of the most polished , chalenging and inteligent prog band ever. In the '70's they released an album every year so was very prolific either, so a top band and top musicians. |
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Posted: May 20 2008 at 04:31 |
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micky
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Posted: May 18 2008 at 09:49 |
hahahhaha... oh boy. .where to start. not sure what is worse... that 2 people voted for Camel..err.. f**king Camel  or only 3 voted for ELP or that MANY people think that Floyd.. or even Genesis were most represenative of 70's prog hahahha for me. .of course.. ELP.. the punks weren't burning Gensis albums or Gabriel in effegy
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zeta
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cesar polo
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Posted: May 15 2008 at 02:37 |
Well, it seems that most part of the people interested in that poll has voted. So, I'll reveal my opinions now:
When I set up the poll, I thought Pink Floyd would be the winner. And Genesis the second. No surprise, then. But I thought there would be more difference between them. Surprisingly for me, ELP has not reached the third place. Yes beat ELP by far.
A curiosity: according to your posts, it seems that Pink Floyd is the indisputed number one in non-english language countries, while Genesis and Yes perform better in USA and UK.
But there's still room to change all these firsts impressions  ... |
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Posted: May 13 2008 at 07:56 |
PINK FLOYD,no doubt for me. 
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Altti_H
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Posted: May 13 2008 at 03:33 |
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Hi,
The most REPRESENTATIVE prog band is definently ELP, in it's short peak period, few years, it represented everything progressive rock was in seventies.
Yes, there were pf, genesis, yes. Still for seventies it should be ELP.
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b_olariu
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Posted: May 12 2008 at 15:26 |
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Jethro Tull for me, one of the most polished , chalenging and inteligent prog band ever. In the '70's they released an album every year so was very prolific either, so a top band and top musicians.
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Posted: May 12 2008 at 09:50 |
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cesar polo
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Posted: May 12 2008 at 03:48 |
Very interesting discussion between Dr. Prog, Cacho and Ivan Melgar. IMO you both are right. Your argumentations are equally valid. It depends on the definition of the word "representative". Remember there's no an universal truth . Sorry... there's only ONE universal truth: PROG forever,  .
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 21:40 |
Dr. Prog wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I never said the most representative of the 70’s, the 70’s had a wide variety of genres and sounds to believe one band represents them all.
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Uhhh, that's what the topic of the thread is, what prog band was most representative of the 70s. You said Pink Floyd because they were the most well known.
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cesar polo wrote:
This question goes NOT your favourite band but for the most representative of our style in front of other kind of musical trends |
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Atkingani
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 20:37 |
Please, let's leave the river takes its course and forget eventual discussions between 2 people about their opinions...
Thanks!
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 20:32 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I never said the most representative of the 70’s, the 70’s had a wide variety of genres and sounds to believe one band represents them all.
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Uhhh, that's what the topic of the thread is, what prog band was most representative of the 70s. You said Pink Floyd because they were the most well known.
popularity is but one aspect of being what the most "representative' Band would be, but not the only factor. Your post clearly stated that Pink Floyd was because they were the most well known.
Unless you are just engaging in some kind of bizarre circular logic exercise.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 20:26 |
Dr. Prog wrote:
| being the most popular or well known doesn't necessarily mean that their music was the most representative of the 70s.
I never said the most representative of the 70’s, the 70’s had a wide variety of genres and sounds to believe one band represents them all.
The Backstreet Boys may have been at one time the most well known or popular band in America in the 90s, but that doesn't mean their music was representative of the 90s.
No, they were not the most representative band of the United States, but they were without any doubt, the most representative Boy band of the early 90’s in USA.
Talking about a band that represents a decade is harder than talking about a band that represented a genre.
Your jump in logic there doesn't connect. Yes' music was more representative of what was going on with prog rock as a whole in the 70s than Floyd, despite Floyd's popularity.
That’s your opinion and deserves respect, but not necessarily correct.
Almost every Rock listener in the 70’s bought a copy of Dark Side of the Moon, something that didn’t happened with Yes or Genesis, all this people who bought a DSOTM or The Wall copy (Which BTW and if I’m not wrong, sold more copies than DSOTM) also bought a representation of the idea called Progressive Rock in the form of a band called Pink Floyd .
Even among Prog haters Pink Floyd represented the idea of Prog, Punk was created as a reaction against Progressive Rock, and Johnny Rotten used a T-Shirt that said I hate Pink Floyd, not I hate Yes or I hate Genesis, because they knew that Pink Floyd was the best known Progressive Rock band.
If he had used an I hate Genesis T-Shirt, .90% of the world would believed he hated the Bible, because Genesis was unknown outside the Prog circles.
Most popular doesn’t mean better, but popularity has a very strong connection with representation, which BTW, you affirmed in your previous post:
Dr. Prog wrote:
| Genesis was also hardly known outside of England and Italy until their 1973-74 tour here in the US. [/quote]
If being representative has nothing to do with popularity, why you had to mention that Genesis was hardly known outside England and Italy?
But not all, you say later in the same post:
Dr. Prog wrote: [quote] They also were not on TV and had no single that was a hit in the US until 1978 |
Your last quote also proves that you believe that popularity is related with being representative, you even say Genesis was not representative, because they were not on TV and had no hit single.
If your initial position was right, even a hardly known band and extremely unpopular could be representative, something I believe is incorrect.
But again, let’s leave it here, before this thread is closed again.
Iván
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 11 2008 at 20:31
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The Quiet One
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 20:22 |
Dr. Prog wrote:
cacho wrote:
Dr. Prog wrote:
cacho wrote:
Dr. Prog wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I beklieve Genesis and Yes are equally representative of Symphonic.
Genesis can have been unknown outside England, Italy and Belgium, but when they reached some popularity, they were much more influemntial than any band. Yes of course was more popular.
But if we ask people who don't know much about Prog, 99.99% will answer Pink Floyd, so this maked them the most representative band of Prog IMO.
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being the most popular or well known doesn't necessarily mean that their music was the most representative of the 70s. The Backstreet Boys may have been at one time the most well known or popular band in America in the 90s, but that doesn't mean their music was representative of the 90s. Your jump in logic there doesn't connect. Yes' music was more representative of what was going on with prog rock as a whole in the 70s than Floyd, despite Floyd's popularity. |
You got a point, let's how this poll changes..  |
Uhhh, I could care less how or if the poll changes, I always try to be accurate and logical when making points to support an argument, no matter what the consequences or some poll results show. |
Pff, that's quite egoistic by your part...  You don't care a damn of how the thread turns into, if I'm correct, the closed one thread cause your fault. BTW: the first I gave was just like a joke..people nowadays are too serious. |
Huh?
I don't recall throwing a epithet in there like you did. To repeat, I said I don't care if something I said influences or doesn't influence a poll. I don't know what the heck you are talking about. Being accurate and logical is egotistical?  Why don't you quit reading things into my posts or misstating them, and just let it be?  |
Let it be!!!!....Naked!
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Dr. Prog
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 20:09 |
cacho wrote:
Dr. Prog wrote:
cacho wrote:
Dr. Prog wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I beklieve Genesis and Yes are equally representative of Symphonic.
Genesis can have been unknown outside England, Italy and Belgium, but when they reached some popularity, they were much more influemntial than any band. Yes of course was more popular.
But if we ask people who don't know much about Prog, 99.99% will answer Pink Floyd, so this maked them the most representative band of Prog IMO.
Iván |
being the most popular or well known doesn't necessarily mean that their music was the most representative of the 70s. The Backstreet Boys may have been at one time the most well known or popular band in America in the 90s, but that doesn't mean their music was representative of the 90s. Your jump in logic there doesn't connect. Yes' music was more representative of what was going on with prog rock as a whole in the 70s than Floyd, despite Floyd's popularity. |
You got a point, let's how this poll changes.. |
Uhhh, I could care less how or if the poll changes, I always try to be accurate and logical when making points to support an argument, no matter what the consequences or some poll results show. |
Pff, that's quite egoistic by your part... You don't care a damn of how the thread turns into, if I'm correct, the closed one thread cause your fault.
BTW: the first I gave was just like a joke..people nowadays are too serious. |
Huh?
I don't recall throwing a epithet in there like you did. To repeat, I said I don't care if something I said influences or doesn't influence a poll. I don't know what the heck you are talking about. Being accurate and logical is egotistical? Why don't you quit reading things into my posts or misstating them, and just let it be?
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The Quiet One
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 19:58 |
Dr. Prog wrote:
cacho wrote:
Dr. Prog wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I beklieve Genesis and Yes are equally representative of Symphonic.
Genesis can have been unknown outside England, Italy and Belgium, but when they reached some popularity, they were much more influemntial than any band. Yes of course was more popular.
But if we ask people who don't know much about Prog, 99.99% will answer Pink Floyd, so this maked them the most representative band of Prog IMO.
Iván |
being the most popular or well known doesn't necessarily mean that their music was the most representative of the 70s. The Backstreet Boys may have been at one time the most well known or popular band in America in the 90s, but that doesn't mean their music was representative of the 90s. Your jump in logic there doesn't connect. Yes' music was more representative of what was going on with prog rock as a whole in the 70s than Floyd, despite Floyd's popularity. |
You got a point, let's how this poll changes.. |
Uhhh, I could care less how or if the poll changes, I always try to be accurate and logical when making points to support an argument, no matter what the consequences or some poll results show. |
Pff, that's quite egoistic by your part... You don't care a damn of how the thread turns into, if I'm correct, the closed one thread cause your fault. BTW: the first I gave was just like a joke..people nowadays are too serious.
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Dr. Prog
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 19:52 |
cacho wrote:
Dr. Prog wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I beklieve Genesis and Yes are equally representative of Symphonic.
Genesis can have been unknown outside England, Italy and Belgium, but when they reached some popularity, they were much more influemntial than any band. Yes of course was more popular.
But if we ask people who don't know much about Prog, 99.99% will answer Pink Floyd, so this maked them the most representative band of Prog IMO.
Iván |
being the most popular or well known doesn't necessarily mean that their music was the most representative of the 70s. The Backstreet Boys may have been at one time the most well known or popular band in America in the 90s, but that doesn't mean their music was representative of the 90s. Your jump in logic there doesn't connect. Yes' music was more representative of what was going on with prog rock as a whole in the 70s than Floyd, despite Floyd's popularity. |
You got a point, let's how this poll changes.. |
Uhhh, I could care less how or if the poll changes, I always try to be accurate and logical when making points to support an argument, no matter what the consequences or some poll results show.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 19:46 |
Dr. Prog wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I beklieve Genesis and Yes are equally representative of Symphonic.
Genesis can have been unknown outside England, Italy and Belgium, but when they reached some popularity, they were much more influemntial than any band. Yes of course was more popular.
But if we ask people who don't know much about Prog, 99.99% will answer Pink Floyd, so this maked them the most representative band of Prog IMO.
Iván |
being the most popular or well known doesn't necessarily mean that their music was the most representative of the 70s. The Backstreet Boys may have been at one time the most well known or popular band in America in the 90s, but that doesn't mean their music was representative of the 90s. Your jump in logic there doesn't connect. Yes' music was more representative of what was going on with prog rock as a whole in the 70s than Floyd, despite Floyd's popularity. |
You got a point, let's how this poll changes..
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Dr. Prog
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 19:42 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I beklieve Genesis and Yes are equally representative of Symphonic.
Genesis can have been unknown outside England, Italy and Belgium, but when they reached some popularity, they were much more influemntial than any band. Yes of course was more popular.
But if we ask people who don't know much about Prog, 99.99% will answer Pink Floyd, so this maked them the most representative band of Prog IMO.
Iván |
being the most popular or well known doesn't necessarily mean that their music was the most representative of the 70s. The Backstreet Boys may have been at one time the most well known or popular band in America in the 90s, but that doesn't mean their music was representative of the 90s. Your jump in logic there doesn't connect. Yes' music was more representative of what was going on with prog rock as a whole in the 70s than Floyd, despite Floyd's popularity.
Edited by Dr. Prog - May 11 2008 at 19:43
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