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    Posted: November 21 2008 at 23:43
Hard to say which is the definitive artist of each sub-genre, so I'll just say my favorite:

1. Symphonic Prog (Transatlantic)
2. Jazz Rock/Fusion (Miles Davis)
3. Eclectic Prog (King Crimson)
4. Heavy Prog (Porcupine Tree)
5. Prog Metal (Dream Theater)
6. Prog-Related (Metallica)
7. Canterbury Scene (Soft Machine)
8. RIO/Avant-Prog (Frank Zappa)
9. Tech/Extreme Prog Metal (Death)
10. Neo Progressive (Frost*)
11. Psychedelic/Space (Pink Floyd)
12. Experimental/Post-Metal (Tool)
13. Proto-Prog (The Doors)
14. Italian Symphonic Prog (Banco del Mutuo Soccorso)
15. Post-Rock/Math-Rock (Godspeed You! Black Emperor)
16. Krautrock (Can)
17. Prog Folk (Jethro Tull)
18. Crossover (Peter Gabriel)
19. Progressive Electronic (Tangerine Dream)
20. Indo-Prog/Raga Rock (John McLaughlin w/Shakti)
21. Zeuhl (Dun)
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1. Krautrock (Ash Ra Tempel / Ashra / Manuel Göttsching)
2. Krautrock (Amon Düül II)
3. Krautrock (Can)
OK. is that unortodox enough Wink? so let's get serious...

Eclectic Prog (a nose ahead, just for the sake of the King... Crimson! + VdGG)
Prog Electronic (Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze)
Psychedelic Prog (just look at my title LOL)
Zeuhl (the obvious choice!)
Symphonic (Yes)
Canterbury (Soft Machine, Caravan... I regard Gong more "space" than Canterbury)
Heavy (Deep Purple... yes, them Tongue!)
J/R-Fusion (Mahavishnu)
Folk Prog (Traffic... not Jethro!)
Crossover (Supertramp)
Indo-Raga (Kalacakra... and just them!)
Post Rock (GY!BE)
Neo (Marillion & IQ only)
RIO-Avant (not because I don't like it, but that I didn't have chance to hear much stuff...)
...and others that I practically don't give a da*n Ouch... no offense TongueLOL

p.s. IMHO Proto-Prog & Prog Related are not progressive rock subgenres per se, and I prefer to evaluate every band under these headings by the closest possible sub, i.e. Psych for Doors (that's what exactly they are!), Heavy Prog for Deep Purple, Sabbath, Zeppelin, and Symphonic or Crossover for Queen (I mean, their proggiest period, not their sh*tty post-'75 stuff Wink)
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Points: 1484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2008 at 15:10
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

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so I'll lump them in groups (and by far, I'll be the most creativeTongue)
 

indeed, you are!
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


1. HeartHugThumbs Up
RIO/Avant-Prog  
Jazz Rock/Fusion      (Mahavishnu Orchestra)
Prog Folk       (Jethro Tull)
Canterbury Scene       (Soft Machine, Gong)
Krautrock     (Can)
Art Rock/Eclectic Prog   (King Crimson)
 
2. StarClapBig smile
Heavy Prog    (Rush)
Eclectic Prog   (King Crimson)
Electronic    (Tangerine Dream)
Symphonic Prog    (Genesis >>> sorry for me Flower Kings is neo prog)
Crossover Prog     (Radiohead)
Zeuhl    (Magma)
Psychedelic/Space Rock      (Ozric Tentacles)
Proto-prog
 
 
 
3. CoolApproveEmbarrassed
Prog-Related     (Jean Michel Jarre)
Post Rock/Math Rock    (GYBE)
Indo-Prog/Raga Rock
 
 

4. ConfusedExclamationNuke
Prog Metal     (Dream Theater)
Neo Progressive     (Marillion)
Tech/Extreme Prog Metal     (Opeth)
 


ah! A French guy, who simply doesn't bash Jean Michel Jarre Tongue (let philippe not hear this Wink. I agree with him on many Kraut/Electronic views, but I'm also a big fan of JMJ, as well as Vangelis, both of whom he never misses a chance to slamOuch!)

OK, I know you're not exactly French, but at least your native language is, and that's my point Tongue

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


others:
Italian Symphonic Prog  Stern Smile Geek >>> not yet a genre I think, but Approve


I beg to differ (so will each estimable member of the RPI team Wink)... RPI (note that the "symphonic" moniker is nothing but a mistake, in defining the genre's name!) is as much a "genre" as Krautrock, or Canterbury, both of which I love deeply. Of course, I like RPI (as much as I find a chance to hear), too!

your list is quite close to what I have in mind, yet, I'll probably come up with a version which has some prominent differences...




Edited by Bilek - November 21 2008 at 15:12
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:


Check out Extradition (you can stream the full album). A band I suggested for adding once (but nothing happened). Stunning album.
 
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


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1. Prog Folk (Spirogyra)
2. RIO Avant-prog (Art Bears)
3. Krautrock (Sand)
4. Jazz Rock/Fusion (Sun Ra)
5. Psychedelic/Space (Hawkwind)
6. Proto-prog (Family)
7. Canterbury Scene (Kevin Ayers)
8. Eclectic prog (Van der Graaf Generator)
9. Zeuhl (Magma)
10. Progressive electronic (Brian Eno)
11. Symphonic Prog (Renaissance)
12. Prog related (The Legendary Pink Dots)
13. Tech/extreme prog metal (Naked City)
14.  Crossover (Talk Talk)
15. Heavy Prog (High Tide)
16. Italian Symphonic Prog (Semiramis)
17. Indo-prog/Raga Rock (Shakti w/ John McLaughlin)
18. Experimental/post metal (Boris)
19. Prog metal (Om)
20. Post Rock/Math Rock (Porcupine Tree)
21. Neo Progressive (Drawing a blank...)


Edited by DagmarKrause - October 29 2008 at 02:45
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1. Eclectic prog
2. Jazz Rock/Fusion
3. Symphonic Prog
4. Prog Folk
5. Canterbury Scene
6. Post-Rock/Math-Rock
7. RIO/Avant-Prog
8. Zeuhl
9. Psychedelic/Space
10. Italian Symphonic Prog
11. Experimental/Post-Metal
12. Heavy Prog
13. Krautrock
14. Crossover
15. Progressive Electronic
16. Tech/Extreme Prog Metal
17. Indo-Prog/Raga Rock
18. Proto-Prog
19. Prog Metal
20. Prog-Related
21. Neo Progressive
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To be honest, I'm not familiar with a lot of the genres on here. I'm generally a lover of all music and especially of all prog music. I know for a fact I'm totally in love in Prog Metal, but other that I wouldn't know what to list where. I probably listen to a lot of bands that cover the different sub-genres, but don't know who's classed as what, and it seems a lot of hassle to research it all.
 
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1. Eclectic Prog: Van Der Graaf Generator
2. Krautrock: Guru Guru
3. Psychedelic/Space Rock: Pink Floyd
4. Heavy Prog: Atomic Rooster
5. Symphonic Prog: Yes
6. Crossover Prog: Rare Bird
7. Prog Folk: Jethro Tull
8. Proto Prog: Deep Purple
9. Canterbury: Soft Machine
10. Jazz Rock/Fusion: Weather Report
11. Rio/Avant-Prog: Frank Zappa
12. Italian Symphonic Prog: Maxophone
13. Neo-Progressive: Marillion
14. Prog Related: Rainbow
15. Progressive Electronic: Tangerine Dream
16. Indo-Prog/Raga Rock: Third Ear Band
17. Zeuhl: Magma
 
When it comes to the rest of the sub genres I don't like them at all, though I feel no need to either bash them or just pile them up... it just wouldn't be fair, not for the bands and not for their fans.
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1. RIO Avant-prog (Emmanuel Booz)
2. Eclectic prog (Arachnoid)
3. Symphonic Prog (Sound Horizon)
4. Prog Folk (Carol Of Harvest)
5. Post Rock/Math Rock (Godspeed You! Black Emperor)
6. Progressive electronic (Heldon)
7. Jazz Rock/Fusion (Suara Ombak)
8. Psychedelic/Space (Acid Mothers Temple & The Melting Paraiso UFO)
9. Zeuhl (Magma)
10. Krautrock (Ash Ra Tempel)
11. Indo-prog/Raga Rock (Trembling Strain)
12. Prog related (PYG)
13. Heavy Prog (Anekdoten)
14. Canterbury Scene (National Health)
15. Prog metal (Alhambra)
 
- out of ranking -
Neo Progressive ... someday neo will become old.
Italian Symphonic Prog ... merely a kind of symphonic rock
Experimental/post metal ... sorry I can't imagine it part I (^_^;)
Tech/extreme prog metal ... sorry I can't imagine it part II (-_-;)
Proto-prog ... sorry I can't imagine it part III (T_T;)
Crossover ... sorry I can't imagine it part IV (+_+;)
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Well:
 
1-Jazz Fusion
2-Symph prog
3-King Crimson
4-Canterbury
5-Prog Related
6-Proto prog
7-Kosmische muzik
8-Eclectic prog
9-Pyschydelic Space
10-Neo Prog
11 Heavy Prog
12-RPI
13-Crossover
14-Prog Folk
15-Prog Metal
16-Progressive electronic
17-RIO
18-Zeuhl
19-Tech extreme prog metal
20-Post rock
21-Post Metal
22-Indo prog raga rock
 
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Personally I think that creativity, just as sanity, is highly overrated !LOL
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Points: 20572 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 10:43
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Hmmm, not many Prog Folk fans here:
 
1. Prog Folk (probably the Pentangle)



I am. Love The Pentangle. The not so high placing on my list has more to do with quantity than quality. Progfolk, like Zeuhl is not a very big genre. But I really love, Roy Harper, Pearls Before Swine, The Pentangle, Spirogyra, Conventum, Woven Hand, Ragnarok, Ptarmigan, Jan Dukes Degrey, Comus, Hoelderlin mm...

Check out Extradition (you can stream the full album). A band I suggested for adding once (but nothing happened). Stunning album.

 
 
We will ChristerWink
 
 
 
 
Not likely you'll get me to place styles in a precise list anymore than for albums or groups >> way too time-consuming and anal a preoccupation
 
so I'll lump them in groups (and by far, I'll be the most creativeTongue)
 
1. HeartHugThumbs Up
RIO/Avant-Prog  
Jazz Rock/Fusion      (Mahavishnu Orchestra)
Prog Folk       (Jethro Tull)
Canterbury Scene       (Soft Machine, Gong)
Krautrock     (Can)
Art Rock/Eclectic Prog   (King Crimson)
 
2. StarClapBig smile
Heavy Prog    (Rush)
Eclectic Prog   (King Crimson)
Electronic    (Tangerine Dream)
Symphonic Prog    (Genesis >>> sorry for me Flower Kings is neo prog)
Crossover Prog     (Radiohead)
Zeuhl    (Magma)
Psychedelic/Space Rock      (Ozric Tentacles)
Proto-prog
 
 
 
3. CoolApproveEmbarrassed
Prog-Related     (Jean Michel Jarre)
Post Rock/Math Rock    (GYBE)
Indo-Prog/Raga Rock
 
 

4. ConfusedExclamationNuke
Prog Metal     (Dream Theater)
Neo Progressive     (Marillion)
Tech/Extreme Prog Metal     (Opeth)
 
 
 
 
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Italian Symphonic Prog  Stern Smile Geek >>> not yet a genre I think, but Approve
let's just stay above the moral melee
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keep our sand-castle virtues
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01. RIO Avant-prog (especially Art Bears and Art Zoyd)
02. Zeuhl (Magma but also the underrated Bondage Fruit)
03. Prog Folk (Comus, Canzioniere di Lazio)
04. Canterbury Scene (especially PdP, Egg, Cos and Wyatt)
05. Eclectic prog (is this where King Crimson live?)
06. Symphonic Prog (Yes)
07. Krautrock (Can)
08. Progressive electronic (various Electropop bands we have listed ;P)
09. Italian Symphonic Prog (PFM, Buon Vecchio Charlie!!!)
10. Indo-prog/Raga Rock (individual favourites beyond this line)
11. Jazz Rock/Fusion (Area)
12. Post Rock/Math Rock (mostly GY!BE and ASMZ)
13. Psychedelic/Space (Acid Mothers)
14. Heavy Prog (Bi Kyo Ran)
15. Tech/extreme prog metal (Meshuggah)
16. Prog related (SFA!)
17. Experimental/post metal (Mare)
18. Neo Progressive (Shingetsu)
19. Crossover (...)
20. Proto-prog ( :( )
21. Prog metal ( lol )

Prog Folk arriving at #3 really surprised me but it really shouldn't have, this has been creeping up on me for a while

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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

* I hope everyone realises that we are all working on cracking the Prog Code here. Once all of these genres have been slotted into the sequence that everyone agrees is the correct harmonic order then the Universe will be de-stabilised and the secrets of the Prog will be unlocked for all the world to marvel at. The Prog battalions will rise up: Neo will join forces with Zeuhl; Extreme Tech Metal will meld with Symphonic and Eclectic Prog, Math Rock will form an alliance with Prog Related, Proto Prog will realise it is really only Space/Psyche; Crossover will crossover to Post Metal; Heavy will form an alliance with Electronic; Krautrock will form a triumvirate with Prog Metal and Jazz Rock/Fusion and Canterbury will be twined with Rome (meanwhile... Raga will be a conscientious objector). Together we shall cross the Main stream and march upon the plains of popular music crushing all in our path to the mighty blast of 21st Century Schizoid Man from our super-charged iPods...

....Universal World Domination will be ours. (except on Tuesdays)
 
 
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that's fine

X Tech
RPI
Symph
Heavy P
JR/F
Math/Post
Avant
Eclectic
Progfolk
Canterbury
Proto
Crossover
Electronic
ProgRelated






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  1. Crossover (no)
  2. Heavy Prog (no)
  3. Symphonic Prog (Camel)
  4. Prog metal (no)
  5. Jazz Rock/Fusion (Burnin' red Ivanhoe)
  6. Tech/extreme prog metal (no)
  7. Experimental/post metal (no)
  8. Prog related (Roxy Music)
  9. Progressive electronic (Brian Eno)
  10. Eclectic prog (Van der Graaf Generator)
  11. Proto-prog (Parson Sound)
  12. Prog Folk ( Comus)
  13. Indo-prog/Raga Rock (no)
  14. Psychedelic/Space (Tako)
  15. RIO Avant-prog (Univers Zero)
  16. Neo Progressive (no)
  17. Post Rock/Math Rock (A Silver Mt Zion)
  18. Zeuhl (Archaia)
  19. Krautrock (Neu !)
  20. Canterbury Scene (Gong)
  21. Italian Symphonic Prog (PFM)
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:


Check out Extradition (you can stream the full album). A band I suggested for adding once (but nothing happened). Stunning album.
 

The recommendation must have gotten lost somewhere.  Prog Folk doesn't have the most organized team here - those guys are totally irresponsible Embarrassed.

Anyway, I'm checking out the album now - sounds promising enough; I'll add it to the consideration list and see what some of the other collabs think.

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1. Canterbury
1a. RIO/Avant
1b. Zeuhl
2.  others
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Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Here I go... should be interesting

1. Eclectic Prog (Van Der Graaf Generator Heart)
2. Symphonic Prog (Genesis)
3. Proto-Prog (The Doors, perhaps)
4. Canterbury Scene (Caravan)
5. Jazz Rock/Fusion (The Mahavishnu Orchestra)
6. Psychedelic/Space Prog (Hawkwind)
7. Italian Symphonic Prog (Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso)
8. Prog Electronic (Tangerine Dream)
9. Crossover Prog (Peter Gabriel)
10. Krautrock (Amon Duul II)
11. Heavy Prog (Uriah Heep)
12. Zeuhl (Magma)
13. Prog Related (Queen)
14. Post-Rock/Math Rock (Ulver)
15. Prog Folk (Jethro Tull)
16. Raga Rock/Indo-Prog (John McLaughlin with Shakti)
17. Tech/Extreme Prog Metal (Arcturus)
18. RIO/Avant-Prog (Henry Cow)
19. Neo Progressive (Marillion)
20. Experimental/Post-Metal (bah. humbug)
21. Prog Metal (Opeth)

Most of this is pretty random. Think I've heard something from all the genres, but not nearly enough to judge.


Oops. Missed that part. Honestly don't have a clue about some of the genres.
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