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doompaul
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Topic: What makes people find Prog boring? Posted: January 29 2018 at 16:19 |
damn kids with their damn smartyphones can't keep their attention past a bowl of sugar coated frosty-o's
oh yeah, get off my damn lawn.
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Peter
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Posted: January 24 2018 at 09:21 |
Boredom!
Next question, please. |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: January 20 2018 at 02:40 |
People are programmed to think that 3.5 minute intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus-outro is the epitome of song writing.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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ProcolWho?
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Posted: January 19 2018 at 21:44 |
I love good prog. But confess that much classical music , I find quite boring. Probably because it is.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: January 17 2018 at 17:56 |
They don't want to sit through it. Unless they grew up with it it's hard for them to relate to it.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: January 17 2018 at 17:56 |
Of course there will be people who find prog boring. These are the same people who will stare for hours at cats playing with string on Facebook videos. It's the random, jerky movements, you see.
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HackettFan
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Posted: January 17 2018 at 17:21 |
Oh, yes I've definitely heard that as well on multiple occasions, and presumed that they were just too polite to actually say the word, boring. Of course there are long songs in the popular sphere when the music is stripped down and simple enough, and no one really seems to mind their length. One example might be Free Bird. I find Free Bird incredibly boring. I don't mind saying that. |
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lostrom
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Posted: January 17 2018 at 07:38 |
No immediate catch.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: January 17 2018 at 03:47 |
Again: I have never ever come across anyone who told me they find prog to be boring. Never. I've experienced the 'turn that weird sh*t off!!!' comment quite a few times though just like the 'how can you listen to church music?' often comes along during some blissfull mellotron/organ segments.
When I read threads like these I often think of the corresponding ones found on similar sites to PA, only they focus on Pop, Blues, Hip Hop and Trance. I bet all of em have their own 'Why do people find our beloved music boring?' threads...and I also believe they are about as deluted as every other music fanbase out there coming up with the same kinds of elitist answers we dig up here. Your tastes do not elicit wisdom. Reading through a couple of PA threads will hopefully drive home that fact to anyone who still believes that proggers are an enlightened species. Having the ability to listen to complex music is great. Having the ability to knit tricky patterns is great. Are you an intelligent person because you enjoy either? Nope. I've enjoyed both of those with kids who were too stupid to get into school. Do they then get the underlying themes of the lyrics and how amart the different passages are when....blablabla? Nope but then again, do you get the lyrical connotations Lady Gaga does to the Tibethan book of the dead or do you hear the small ode to Bach that blablabla..... People tend to get the stuff they find appealing - the music they're drawn to. Why would you try to unravel and understand something you think sound absolutely horrendous? That is why you won't find many hip hop fans round these parts....yet there are loads of experimental, progressive and clever hip hop artists out there. Why do you find them boring? Spoiler: you haven't heard it and you have no interest in trying it out. Why? Because you think it sounds like something you once heard and you figure everything else sounds similarly poor. Just like the reason most people don't listen to prog. |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: January 17 2018 at 02:18 |
I see what you did there! For real, though; I was having a good discussion with a client about how people themselves are boring, and that's the root cause.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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HackettFan
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Posted: January 16 2018 at 21:54 |
There's no accounting for boredom. I can't figure out why students find some of my lectures boring. One thing I have figured out is that they, the students themselves, are boring.
Short Pop songs with lots of repetition is boring to me. I guess that's why I find Gentle Giant boring. Edited by HackettFan - January 16 2018 at 21:56 |
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Jzrk
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Posted: January 16 2018 at 18:17 |
I think it can be broken down into some people like more simplistic music that makes them feel a certain way based on either a beat or a harmony.
Once you get past that (and there is nothing wrong with liking for those reasons) you wither develops a desire to branch out into more complex musical structure s or not.You can lump prog in with jazz or classical or any type of instrumental based complex music.I almost think you can apply the same ideas to food.Someoeople have a more basic palette and size me people like to try all kinds of foods and like a great diversity and more complex and unique flavors.Some people are happy with the traditional foods they grew up with.Being we like more complex music Here doesn’t mean it’s for everybody.Those less adventurous just don’t have a taste for it. |
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miamiscot
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Posted: January 11 2018 at 08:24 |
Some Prog is boring.
Some Prog is not. |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: January 09 2018 at 11:33 |
People find prog boring simply because there's nobody handing out bread and jam just like any picnic...picnic...picnic...picnic...
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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ReactioninG
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Posted: January 06 2018 at 15:52 |
Prog isn't always melodic, moving or exciting. I expect that from all music. It can be prodding, ham-fisted, overly theatrical, forced or just noodling and understated. Reasons why exciting, fresh Prog can be misinterpreted as boring is lack of appreciation for typical non-obvious hooks, which may include lyrics, theme, certain instrumental elements, virtuoso playing, mood, message etc. These are just as important in prog as a dance beat or a macho verbal attitude might be for pop and hip hop in terms of securing enjoy-ability.
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: January 05 2018 at 15:15 |
I think 'the Young Ones' fairly accurately (but satirically of course) represented the basic youth cultures found in student houses at the time. I was frequenting/ living in a squat in Bristol very near where some of the Young ones was filmed and although I wasnt at college at the time, I had a lot of student mates and their shared houses were worryingly very like the young ones household (except they didn't have Motorhead or Madness playing in their living room!) |
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Jeffro
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Posted: January 05 2018 at 08:40 |
And yet Neil listened to Hawkwind and Marillion. As for prog being boring, calling an entire genre of music boring has to be one of the most short sighted and ignorant things I've ever heard. Prog, like any genre of music, has many flavors. There are genres of music that I don't like and don't gravitate to, such as rap hip hop and country. However, even in those genres, there are a handful of songs that I enjoy and I would certainly never label the entire genre as boring.
Edited by Jeffro - January 05 2018 at 08:41 |
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Lewian
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Posted: January 05 2018 at 08:05 |
Ultimately whether a melody, a groove, a mood, a riff, a voice gets you is very subjective and there are many people around who look for being emotionally attracted by these aspects of music in the first place. Some prog could cater for some of this but ultimately, for many people, these core elements in prog are too much driven in the background by other, often more intellectually than emotionally appealing, ingredients that leave them cold. I'm different, but I see nothing wrong with that, I've got to say.
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Mascodagama
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Posted: January 05 2018 at 07:41 |
^ ^^ You need to edit your links to remove a superfluous http:// at the start.
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january4mn
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Posted: January 05 2018 at 07:30 |
Here's the part you were probably talking about. I'm sure he was a big fan actually!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTRwxZNETRs Edited by january4mn - January 05 2018 at 14:00 |
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