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friso ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 2506 |
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I just had a simple question, but it turned out to be a big problem. I do feel supported with rating my Iron Maiden collection. I will rate them as heavy metal (and not prog) and tell about the progressive influences in my reviews.
If you don't think bands like Iron Maiden belong on this side, you might want to skip on the PROG RELATED pages. Problem solved! |
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11985 |
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Indeed. I'd also like to echo Raf's good advice. There's tons of other Prog sites so crying out for members they'd even take a mirthless troll like you. Final warning. Now back on topic. |
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Alberto Muņoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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First thing that you have in mind to rate a IM album, is that IM have many musical rock facets, so it depends what might like you first.
If you are in the early years (prior to Number of the Beast) (like me), then you might like to use words defining the album and the songs an careful to avoid some cliches of reviewing albums.
Feel free to say what you think and feel about the music, that's the main reason about to write a review.
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Abstrakt ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 18 2005 Location: Soundgarden Status: Offline Points: 18292 |
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10742 |
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This thread is not about whether Maiden or anyone else belongs here. This thread asked a very sincere question about rating prog related albums and everone but you has responded in a sincere helpful way. I never voted for Maiden's inclusion and i have no idea how I would have voted because my knowledge of their music is limited, but they are here like it or not. Please leave this thread alone, I will be discussing with the other admins possible action that might be taken if you continue to take this thread off topic. |
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Hawkwise ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 31 2008 Location: Ontairo Status: Offline Points: 4119 |
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So Just because i have an opinion you don't like makes me a Troll ?
So why Not drop the word Prog all together ? It has became so watered down it has became almost Meaningless, Why not just call this place the Rock Archives and be done with it. Prog related ? what does this really mean? How much Farther is it going to be stretched ? Hell why not throw in the Sex Pistols Or Public Image Ltd , Why not Madonna ? its all music, so it all could be related . SO Prog has it became a Meaningless Word ? Edited by Hawkwise - September 18 2009 at 08:09 |
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Marty McFly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
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When I started reviewing, I had in my mind one single thing, to which I focused and which helped me to register and wrote these hundred of words on my 1st one. I knew that Dark Side of the Moon is five star album. But soon I realized that things are not so easy. First I started to lower my enthusiasm and edit previous ratings. Degrade them if I felt it that way, after ecstasy fell down. And I have to say that DSotM was my oldest album. Then I learned to appreciate every single genre. Yes, this took a while, some I already knew and welcomed, with some I had few struggles, but now I can say that I'm more or less fair with them. My biggest failure is still probably death metal, but things are getting better. But proto-prog, that's easy, they're mostly Deep Purple, The Beatles and The Who. But Prog-related is far bigger group. Metallica, Iron Maiden and Asia, these appears in my mind. I don't know Iron Maiden much, but know that they're amongst better metal of these times. Same as with early Metallica. Yes, both aren't prog, but they're not trying to be. Not in normal, conventional way of this world, as we understand normal jazz/symphonic prog. But way how they do it is a good one. And it would be unfair to rate them as prog. Thanks that I'm not doing this. Mostly. Everyone does mistakes and I'm trying to avoid them. It's hard to be fair and I know that I have to rate fairly, not rate by "prog" pattern every time. EDIT: And I'm aware and I admit that I rated few Asia albums lower, also because of reason that they're not prog. But one of the reasons was fact that they're boring, playing same music all over. With same pattern, same style, no innovations, no variations. Almost no. And of course, prog related is also Queen & Led Zeppelin. Edited by MartyMcFly89 - September 18 2009 at 07:46 |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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People who have that opinion are fanatics, nothing more. I review for another prog site (Progressor), and often visits other prog sites, which are ALL more inclusive and open than this one. Many of the albums I have reviewed (and sometimes rated quite highly) would not be able to set foot here, or would be confined to Prog-Related. Obviously, the Talebans among us have always ignored me every time I have stated this simple fact. but this does not change things. No other prog site practices anything close to a policy of rating anything 'non-prog' lower than the 'real' prog stuff. Something of the sort would be slightly deranged, not to mention ridiculous. |
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Marty McFly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
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Thank you for your opinions. I felt that giving Abbey Road 5 stars is needed, but backed by these arguments, I feel more confident. Yes, it's easier to be confident with more skilled people saying similar things, than have pedantic opinion "this is prog site and non-prog should be rated lover".
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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Mr ProgFreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
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It's a mess, and it's beyond repair ... not much else to say about it. A good solution would be to allow reviews without ratings ... that way the reviewer would not be forced to submit an inconsistent/illogical rating.
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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Yes. If we decide to add Motorhead, we will, even if you disagree. You know, there are LOTS of other prog forums around the web who could use a troll like you. |
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TheLastBaron ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 07 2009 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 206 |
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Who really cares if they are progressive enough or not. They kick ass, they can all play very well, have great albums and the best mascot ever. Up the Irons!!!
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" Men are not prisoners of fate, but prisoners of their own minds." - FDR
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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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Even better. ![]() Edited by Angelo - September 18 2009 at 00:51 |
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I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10742 |
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I moved it to prog-related lounge, now please let the good people go back to their conversation. |
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Hawkwise ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 31 2008 Location: Ontairo Status: Offline Points: 4119 |
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Why this thread in Prog Lounge ? Maybe there should be a heavy Metal Lounge ? whats next Motorhead ?
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10742 |
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If you don't think Iron Maiden belong on PA as a prog-related band, then this is probably the wrong thread for you. The thread starter is looking for sincere advise, let's respect that. On another note, now I'm going to have that Run for the Hills song going through my brain all night, damn all of you , ha ha ha. |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19418 |
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Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son, and A Matter Of Life And Death (the newest!) are the best, IMHO. Okay, not the "best," but certainly my faves!
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38862 |
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Many people consider their music Prog, and Prog is often a pretty nebulous term and open to much interpretation, some others think it's progressive but not Prog, while others think it's Proggy etc. What I don't get is that that comment seems kind of out of the blue. Music can be progressive without being Prog, and Prog need not be progressive. I saw people discussing progressiveness before his post, but no-one saying it was Prog. Hawkwise, it is offensively expressed, and I hope it was just a joke. EDIT: ah now I get it. I hadn't noticed that this was posted in the Prog Lounge. ![]() Edited by Logan - September 17 2009 at 21:37 |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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You are f**king useless, on the other hand.... to use your same language style
I have given 5 stars to many Iron Maiden albums. If a band is here, their albums have to be judge with the same standard. I would never put "Somewhere in time" in the same level as a 4 star album no matter how prog this second one could be... Prog is just a word....
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J-Man ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
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I'm getting a hint that you haven't heard Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son. Anyway, did anyone ever say they were? |
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