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Posted: March 24 2010 at 12:39
When i think space rock nothing like PF come to my mind.
When i think space rock i think ozrics, i think hawkwind, even Gong ( they are in canterbury section but that is space rock for me).
Because space rock is not equal to progressive music. Your definition is right for prog rock but space rock definition is "sending a rocket to space"- music for the mind, the body, the subconcious.
And have to be widly tripping-space rock is not for sofa tripping....is really a concert music
Wish You Were Here is not a progressive rock album? Really? Spacey, symphonic, electronic, theatrical (Welcome To The Machine is not too far from the Wall), thoughtful, intelligent music, WYWH a song with greta lyrical import, music that advances from what went on before.
True PF were and still are a huge commercial success thanks to Dark Side. But that is a commercially successful prog rock album. Doesn't stop it from being progressive or prog rock.
My simple qualification for something being progreessive rock? Rock music for the mind, rather than feet.
WYWH has all the elements of classic prog rock. First class on every count.
And PF not prog? Perhaps a little negative but it was noted Phil Collins future pal, the US based property developer Johnny Lydon nee Rotten who wore his notorious "I Hate PF" T -shirt." to his audition where he mimed to a record. Can't get a better qualification than that!
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Posted: March 14 2010 at 18:41
Most of the Waters' era is prog-rock. Before that was space/psychedelia rock, and after was just...cheesy half-hearted experimental rock, I don't know. I agree that Wish You Were Here wasn't really progressive, but then what was it? It fits better into the prog-department than anything else.
By my concise definition the album Wish You Were Here is clearly prog as it contains songs with extended instrumental passages that transition through multiple musical ideas. Superficially the long length of some songs indicate and accomodate this musical structure.
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Posted: March 12 2010 at 12:28
Actually Barret era Floyd is by far my favorite too. I like some of the albums leading up to Dark Side, but after Dark Side it's a totally different band to me.
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Posted: March 12 2010 at 11:57
Ok The Piper and Sourcefull is psych-rock!!!!!! Is not really space rock could be one of the foundations of it but is not.
Hawkwind is Floyd without talent. Wait a minute? Your refering to the Syd floyds ( then the answer is maybe but definetly not) or Post-Syd ( then the answer is a laugh).
What you are missing is except some ballad (the demented man) and some thing like that you cant possibly bring to mind nothing of Floyds (especialy post Syd) when you hear Hawkwind...they were more in to Neu and the Pink Fairies..not talking about ozrics...you are telling me that you hear ozrics and you say the Floyds? Is that some case of obsesion that makes you see jesus in everyman with beard?
Space rock is spacey and it rocks!!! So simply dont talk about interstellar overdrive these is genius psychic deliruim...but it doesnt rock.
Ozrics do rock, Hawkwind they blew out rock, man!!
Floyds just rock a little in some songs of the first albums.
"Money" is rocking ? yes in the golf club
And Yes answering to another comment do rock and they are genial.
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Posted: March 12 2010 at 10:11
Certif1ed wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
^ Indeed, I was going to make a facetious post about Yes being at source nothing more than a skiffle band with better equipment but thought better of it.
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Posted: March 12 2010 at 09:28
ExittheLemming wrote:
^ Indeed, I was going to make a facetious post about Yes being at source nothing more than a skiffle band with better equipment but thought better of it.
^ Indeed, I was going to make a facetious post about Yes being at source nothing more than a skiffle band with better equipment but thought better of it. A member of the 'Black is White' debating team just might take me seriously ?
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Posted: March 12 2010 at 05:44
Oh well. Some people visit this site to learn about, talk about and appreciate music. Others come here and seems to have as a goal to argument for the sake of argumentation.
What artist will have it's progressive credentials doubted next I wonder. Al DiMeola perhaps? John McLaughlin? Marillion? Camel? Gryphon? Jethro Tull?
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Posted: March 12 2010 at 05:35
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"Nothing is formulaic" , oh man it seems you been absolutely cheated.
Evrything since Atom Heart Mother is purely formulaic, i think they even have the mathematical equation for building these tiny gloomy musical houses ad nauseam.
Wish you were here is bad and The Dark Side of the Moon is a cliche craft all over the disc.
Is no surprising is hit radio friendly.
About philosophical deepness dont make me laugh. Does any of the members make a new school system or they just take them to expensive english private schools as every other wealthy englishman does?
Another brick in the wall? Yeah especialy if you are in the builders team.
And what about sacking barret and then talking about madness from the comfortably numb view in their quiet sofas?
Yes so deep, they are really an institution od deepness.The cunning deepnes of the hipocrites.
The Monkees are more deep than the Floyds.
OK, this misses the point so wildly it must be deliberate - congratulations on a great troll!
I particularly like the point about the Monkees - their work with Frank Zappa on "Head" is astonishing.
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Floyds inventors of psychedelia and space rock? No way man.
When did the Floys do space rock? Why they are in same section of Ozrics? Hawkwind?!
Space rock is not about wild spacy psychedelic rock. Im missing somthing?
It's true - Floyd didn't invent psychedelia.
Not sure about Space Rock - that kinda evolved from psych, with a little help from Sun-Ra, Zappa and a few others - but I'm hard pressed to think of a Spacey Rock album released before "Piper..." (not that there aren't any, but 1966 was quite short on them).
Floyd (obviously) wrote and played a form of Space Rock - and equally obviously, they did not sound like the Ozrics. Their influence on Hawkwind (not to mention much Krautrock, later British, European and American psych is also patently obvious - but, of course, there were other bands at the time.
er... Space Rock IS largely about wild spacy psychedelic rock isn't it? If not, what IS it all about?
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Posted: March 11 2010 at 17:44
shockedjazz wrote:
Wish you were here is bad and The Dark Side of the Moon is a cliche craft all over the disc.
Is no surprising is hit radio friendly.
- Wish You Were Here and Dark Side are only bad if you do like 'cliche craft', otherwise they're great examples of music making that is apart from other popular bands, a truly original work not unlike most of their albums: you may not like those records - which is a perfectly fine opinion to have - but they are anything but "clichéd"
About philosophical deepness dont make me laugh. Does any of the members make a new school system or they just take them to expensive english private schools as every other wealthy englishman does?
- Well they're musicians not statesmen, did the Beatles or The Who 'make a new school system' or any other socio-political actions related to their lyrics?
And what about sacking barret and then talking about madness from the comfortably numb view in their quiet sofas?
- Have you ever known someone, a close friend or associate, that has serious mental illness? At a certain point - depending on the illness or whether the person is taking medication - it's very hard to be the good and accommodating person you should be.. you can try and try to be the person's friend but there's only so much craziness people can take before something has to give-- seems the boys were as sympathetic to Barrett's situation as they could be at that time.
The Monkees are more deep than the Floyds.
-That's where you blew your argument, just sounds like sour grapes at this point.
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