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gazagod 
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 Topic: Are The Flower Kings a christian band?Posted: July 03 2012 at 23:41 |
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 well it's obvious this was a troll thread (like XXXX of them) .. let's all have an enjoyable holiday .. despite my reservations...) let's enjoy the ideal... and do better(ie i invite the non-USAians to be indulgent as well-don't ya'll have a bank holiday or something :D)aspirations towards peace... i've done a little bit of what i can for the greens here :]///
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Tapfret
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 21:40 |
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I find them boring and preachy. Which does tip the probability scale, but is in no way conclusive.
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The T
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 20:44 |
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The Doctor
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 19:38 |
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 In a sense, I have to agree with T though.  What kind of music a band chooses to do is solely up to the artists themselves. If they want to be a Christian band and sing praises to god in all their songs that is their right as artists. And it is my right as a consumer to decide whether or not their combination of music and lyrics is pleasing enough to me to make me buy their records (in the case of TFK, the answer is that they are). Denigrating musicians, be it TFK or Phil Collins (for other crimes against music  ) or Neil Peart (for his early Randian lyrics) or Neal Morse (for his 'praise be to god' lyrics) is pretty silly. Just avoid those musicians you don't care for and move on. Edited by The Doctor - July 03 2012 at 19:38 |
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Dean
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 19:01 |
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The T
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 16:40 |
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Ok, the question nobody has asked:
And what the f**k would be the matter if TFK actually was a christian band???? So much stupid anti-religiousity going one will end up making me turn religious....
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 16:14 |
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Aye, my mrs is always telling me that I should let the god-botherers well alone as they gain comfort from their religious beliefs.......To which I always reply.....Ok, but by that same argument don't scoff at Muslim suicide bombers for believing that their "God" pays them in willing virgins (and eternal virility) for every man, woman or child they take with them into oblivion.....
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gazagod
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 13:38 |
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However science gives us the indisputable FACT of evoution......thus negating logically the need for "God the creator of man" which is the basis of all monotheistic religions......as Douglas Adams succinctly puts it, Oolon Colluphid - "that about wraps it up for god". Also religion suffers from Bertrand Russell's teapot example, the burden of truth and all that...science can point at evolution and provide proof beyond all reasonable doubt.....as for religion..... As Mark Twain wrote... There are those who scoff at the school boy, calling him frivolous and shallow. Yet it was the school boy who said, Faith is believing what you know ain't so. i agree with you... i've been a strict materialist most of my life... 'spirituality' is a subjective realm.. that i personally reject from lack of experience/effects... other people do not, however... i guess more often than not now it's become an ideological struggle... but i still don't think empirical physical sciences have a definitive set of statements on phenomenology-- we'll see... the main thing is that's pretty much impossible to argue with ideology/ie -you can't 'win'... now-a-days the (corporate funded)bullsh*t is so thick that the very idea of science has been called into question in america...but that has nothing to do with my orignial post that you reacted against.. which was merely an acceptance that people value subjective spiritual phenomena-which include ethical and moral aspirations not explainable by scientific/empirical investigations... at least not immediately |
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darkshade
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 13:25 |
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Because the OP was originally stating that TFK are a christian band, which they are not. The new title is more appropriate imo.
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Dean
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 13:18 |
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crap ghost editing
/edit: ghost fixed.  Edited by Dean - July 03 2012 at 13:18 |
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The Doctor
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 13:17 |
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I have a much more important question. Why is there a superfluous "are" in the question?
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 13:12 |
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H'm like labelling the flowerkings "Symphonic progressive rock" - and there's me thinking that they were a drum and base outfit.....
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Barbu
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 13:00 |
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That obsession we have to put everyone and everything 'in a box'. Quite frankly irritating.
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darkshade
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 12:48 |
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Why is this thread still going? TFK are clearly not a Christian band, never have, and probably never will. Singing about peace, love, and justice does not make you a christian. If anything, TFK are a hippie band.
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Dean
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 12:46 |
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here we go again... |
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Morsenator
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 12:40 |
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First of all, theories aren't facts, and they are not even meant to be ones (because that would make them dogmas, and science isn't supposed to have those). And I can't see, even if the current quite widely accepted view of evolution was 100% correct, how that would end the conversation about god, universe&everything. Evolution doesn't go beyond the beginning of a first life form, and its explanatory power ends there as well. |
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infandous
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 09:35 |
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Here in America, evolution is out of fashion. It's oh so stylish now to say that it's "just a theory" and that there is no proof and even if there is, you'd still need a creator to kick it all off. The stupid is palpable here........ |
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 07:26 |
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However science gives us the indisputable FACT of evoution......thus negating logically the need for "God the creator of man" which is the basis of all monotheistic religions......as Douglas Adams succinctly puts it,
Oolon Colluphid - "that about wraps it up for god".
Also religion suffers from Bertrand Russell's teapot example, the burden of truth and all that...science can point at evolution and provide proof beyond all reasonable doubt.....as for religion.....
As Mark Twain wrote...
There are those who scoff at the school boy, calling him frivolous and shallow. Yet it was the school boy who said, Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
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infandous
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 12:53 |
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That all sounds good to me  I do agree that his "typical" lyrical themes are starting to seem repetitious and it would be nice to get some different stuff in there. In Agents of Mercy there actually was some different lyrical themes, with more story telling than you ever see on FK ablums. |
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 11:55 |
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Perhaps, his choice of reference could be widened, As Anderson/Howe produced the masterpeice that is "Tales From Topographic Oceans" based on a quasi-religious Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda maybe Stolte could produce a similarly inspired double CD based on some book that hasn't been used as yet. 2112 is simliarly based on works by Ayn Rand, of whom Peart was a big Fan. Maybe Stolte could base his epic on some Norse Mythology since he is Swedish , a CD about Trolls (not the internet variety
) since they are also norse mythological creatures. Or why not a whole double set with each track having the latin name of a venemous snake.....Ophiophagus Hannah being my personal favourite as I took out a girl with that pallindromic name and she turned out to be a snake with tits !!! Hey ho..... |
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Anyway, just my take on the subject. I think the music is fabulous and couldn't really care less what he really believes as long as he keeps making it.