Whats the point of strange music?

Ray Lomas wrote: maidenrulez wrote: Im not saying GG aint melodic im saying that sometimes they have musical parts perhaps 10-20 secods wich aint melodic but just a bit strange. Yes, but as I've seen it these 'strange' parts are there to create the atmosphere of the music.

Now now i dont say that people should not try to explore new grounds and in many cases like forexample in gentle giants case it actually works very well... It is the cases that does not work so well im worried about.

JrKASperov wrote: maidenrulez wrote: Now there are several prog bands that is really great musicans and composers in the prog genre that seems to put in a strange bit in their music that is not melodic at all and it seems that it is just there just because it is strange. And although it might be original it is not melodic and that kind of misses the point then when the purpose of composing music is just to make it as strange and ugly as possible. Now there are several prog bands that do this, and too name a few Van der graaf generator, the residents, magma, gentle giant, the mars volta and so on. This argument always comes from 'not understanding' the music.

That argument is very typical in prog forums...if you just think a band that a band that makes just bloody weird and obscure music that has nothing to do with melody and wich shows clearly a lack of meaning behind it and although original aint very listenable.

Now if you critizise a band like that for their music you alwyas get the argument ah well your music taste is too simple or you just dont understand the music, now however if you critizise dream theater then its just common sense.

My point is i love magma, the residents,van der graaf,gentle giant and tmv and so on BUT there are some moments when these bands just drift off into something that is barely listenable and cannot be defended by the arguments of just trying to make new music

maidenrulez wrote: BaldJean wrote: by the way, the music of many composers of the past centuries, which for us today sounds perfectly harmonic, was considered to be "bizarre" and "weird" when it first appeared New ways of composing will always take some time to appreciate but however there are not all these "experiments" wich has turned out just as nicely

If it wasn't for experiments, everything, including music, would stagnate. Not all of them are successful, but this is just the price you have to pay if you want to breathe new life into something.  

Manunkind wrote: mrzero wrote: If sweet melodies and, lack of dissonans is wath makes sound  as music you have already dismissed the post Schønberg academic music, but also free jazz, indonesian gamelan music, african music, sami yoyk and probably a many more traditional forms of music as not even music. As for music always having to be "nice", I totaly dissagre, I like ugly music, I even admit many of the bands I listen to are Ugly. And I like it

I hate african "music"

Im from NORWAY so i guess i have to hate Joik as well

 why? because it ain't music...

maidenrulez wrote: Manunkind wrote: mrzero wrote: If sweet melodies and, lack of dissonans is wath makes sound  as music you have already dismissed the post Schønberg academic music, but also free jazz, indonesian gamelan music, african music, sami yoyk and probably a many more traditional forms of music as not even music. As for music always having to be "nice", I totaly dissagre, I like ugly music, I even admit many of the bands I listen to are Ugly. And I like it I hate african "music" Im from NORWAY so i guess i have to hate Joik as well  why? because it ain't music...

Structured sounds are music. End of story.

maidenrulez wrote: Hah anyway aint it funny if you post about a band that makes really strange and obscure musik like forexample the residensts then everybody will agree that its a great band but if you suddenly turn on dream theater you will get some that is saying that it is great and some that just thinks its bloody awfull...Really strange i cant remember one post about an obscure and strange band that has been negative about it.

Because they're obscure so few people talk about them, and they're almost always people who like them.

Although Greenback seems to be EXTREMELY critical of 'strange' music.