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Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

Did you mention Queen II or Queer II  ?

I unfortunately have most of their albums because my two sons love them

You can read my post ... why would anyone mention "Queer II"? Is this a strange attempt of humor involving gay people?
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You are on fire.

Drink a beer and relax.

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I'm fine ... avoid answering my questions if you have to. Just don't expect me to take you seriously.
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^ I'm still interested in your opinion on Queen II ...
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Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

1- I still believe Deep Purple should be included in a new subcategory such as "Heavy Prog Rock", or "Hard-Prog Rock", along with Uriah Heep, Kansas and Rush

 

Deep Purple and Uriah Heep are hard-rock bands in their hearts and roots (though the latest Purple is a bit closer to prog, imo, simply because of its latest incarnation with Steve Morse on board).

Kansas and Rush are prog-bands.

Simple as that.



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Yes they are prog but bad one
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Deep Purple are not a prog band, and their albums will be categorized as Proto-Prog (early albums) and Prog-Related (starting from In Rock).

 

 

And labelling Deep Purple as  'proto-prog'  is bloody daft, and made me seriously wonder about this site. I can live with them on the Archives, but categorising them that way makes us look stupid. Look up 'proto-' in your dictionary.
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Points: 3254 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:41
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Deep Purple are not a prog band, and their albums will be categorized as Proto-Prog (early albums) and Prog-Related (starting from In Rock).

 

 

And labelling Deep Purple as  'proto-prog'  is bloody daft, and made me seriously wonder about this site. I can live with them on the Archives, but categorising them that way makes us look stupid. Look up 'proto-' in your dictionary.

proto-prog? Prototype-prog? Meaning the true defintion of prog?

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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Deep Purple are not a prog band, and their albums will be categorized as Proto-Prog (early albums) and Prog-Related (starting from In Rock).

 

 

And labelling Deep Purple as  'proto-prog'  is bloody daft, and made me seriously wonder about this site. I can live with them on the Archives, but categorising them that way makes us look stupid. Look up 'proto-' in your dictionary.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&lr=&rls=CYBA,CYBA :2005-24,CYBA:en&oi=defmore&q=define:proto

Seems reasonable to me. The early (pre 1970) albums can be called Proto-Prog with some imagination ... although personally I'd place all of the DP albums in Prog Related. But then again I am not the one who decides this.
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Points: 12818 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 10:35
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Deep Purple are not a prog band, and their albums will be categorized as Proto-Prog (early albums) and Prog-Related (starting from In Rock).

 

 

And labelling Deep Purple as  'proto-prog'  is bloody daft, and made me seriously wonder about this site. I can live with them on the Archives, but categorising them that way makes us look stupid. Look up 'proto-' in your dictionary.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&lr=&rls=CYBA,CYBA :2005-24,CYBA:en&oi=defmore&q=define:proto

Seems reasonable to me. The early (pre 1970) albums can be called Proto-Prog with some imagination ... although personally I'd place all of the DP albums in Prog Related. But then again I am not the one who decides this.

 

I hate to remind you, 1967 is usually taken as prog music/rock start date, but certainly not 1970. But I would agree with DP being taken as heavy prog - goodness they were certainly counted as a progressive music band pre-In Rock, and one reason EMI shifted them onto the then new Harvest Records label, their home for underground and progressive music bands.
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^ as I said, I would place them in Prog Related ... but I'm no expert on pre 1970 music, so I leave it to more knowledgeable people.

BTW: There may also be Proto-Prog bands/albums after 1970. For instance, Metallica's Master of Puppets might be Proto-Prog Metal. Similar Proto-... situations might exist for other genres.
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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

I agree with what you say about the Art Rock category. It seems like a dumping ground to me. Surely Rush deserve better than that!



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Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

 

I also reviewed Machine Head, along with their eponymous 3rd album with 5 stars. (my review nick is black). I will definitely keep on writing new 5 stars reviews, at least for Taliesyn, Fireball, and In Rock!

Now comes the concerns:

 

5 stars means "Essential to any prog collection" and I truly don't believe that any DP album is!
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

 

I also reviewed Machine Head, along with their eponymous 3rd album with 5 stars. (my review nick is black). I will definitely keep on writing new 5 stars reviews, at least for Taliesyn, Fireball, and In Rock!

Now comes the concerns:

 

5 stars means "Essential to any prog collection"

I agree with that. I consider that a responsable review has to evaluate an album in order to be guide to people searching good prog music. Therefore 5 stars shouldn't mean "I really like this album and is essential to MY personal collection" which doesn't mean that somebody's collection isn't good, no offence. Well that's what I think makes cool this site. I already found so much good music from advices of yours that I invite to keep healthy criticism on reviews.

What do you all think about that? What's a masterpiece?

About the quote of the albums ,never I would consider Book of Taliesyn a Essential Masterpeace... compared to other for instance! Does it stand by is own between DP production? Consider this: if KC would have made in its whole history only ITCOTCK, Genesis Selling England Yes Close to the Edge PF Dark side of the moon, just to mention some widely recognized MASTERPIECE they would be all remembered in the Prog history as outstending groups and albums. If DP would not have made Taliesyn would we miss it???



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Points: 21768 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:15

^ If you interpret it this way:

5 stars means "Essential to any prog collection which includes the genre of the album "

Then it would be possible.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:21
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ If you interpret it this way:

5 stars means "Essential to any prog collection which includes the genre of the album "

Then it would be possible.

Is this true? Is the new guideline? If so ok!
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Points: 21768 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:23
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ If you interpret it this way:

5 stars means "Essential to any prog collection which includes the genre of the album "

Then it would be possible.

Is this true? Is the new guideline? If so ok!

 no, but without this amendment it wouldn't make much sense to me. How could any Prog Metal album be rated 5 stars if it has to be "Essential to any prog collection which doesn't includes prog metal "?



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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:29

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

BTW: There may also be Proto-Prog bands/albums after 1970. For instance, Metallica's Master of Puppets might be Proto-Prog Metal. Similar Proto-... situations might exist for other genres.

That is true, but I think there should be restricted number of albums from these bands... That would mean, there shouldn't be a possibility for people to directly add new albums for them. I think the early works of Purple are OK when listed here, and defined to something else that "pure prog". But I don't see actualy any progressive element's f.ex. in their "Machine Head" album...  And there are only two tunes on "Fireball", which sound a bit proggish to my ear, "Fools" and "The Mule". It's a good album still!
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