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Ghostnote
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Topic: Is Prog For Musicians Only? Posted: November 02 2006 at 22:42 |
I am a drummer, who has loved progressive rock for many years and i have noticed
that myself and other musicians i haved jammed with over the years can relate with this
style of music, but people who do not play a musical instrument do not.
So ultimitly is prog rock for musicians only?
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 22:44 |
Though I've known some non-musician prog fans, the die-hards are almost always musicians in some way-- I think you may be on to something.
Edited by Atavachron - November 02 2006 at 22:44
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 22:47 |
Yes. And even if you're not a musician, just say you are. It makes things easier. Like if you say "I like prog rock," and someone else says "What's that?" you can always say "Oh, you wouldn't understand. It's for musicians. It's like...complex and stuff."
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 22:49 |
I agree... off course you can like Prog if you're not a musician, but you'll miss one of its best elements: the musicianship, the possibility of analyzing structures, keys, harmonies, drum playing, etc, and get amazed (or dissapointed) by what you hear.
Non-musicians tend to like their music just for entertainment sake, just as something better than silence for moments like eating, working, etc...or they want music with a purpose, namely music that helps them dance..... they just won't sit down througha 20+minute epic.... what fun will it be to them? for them, short, 3-4 minute pieces are more than enough...surely they can love some aspects of prog, too, but they won't appreciate them in their whole magnitude as a musician can.
So I'll say 90% prog-lovers are musicians....I know others that aren't but at least they love art....they love literature, they love good cinema...THEY LOVE THEIR BRAIN TO BE CHALLENGED AND PLAYED WITH....
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 22:50 |
Great. I'm not a musician. So I get left out.
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 22:55 |
tardis wrote:
Great. I'm not a musician. So I get left out.

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Yes you are a musician. Just say you are, and if anyone asks to jam or something, just say "I don't jam, I compose 20-minute opuses with no improvisation whatsoever." 
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 23:36 |
I love prog but play no instruments, and I certainly cant sing. About half the people I know who like prog rock play instruments though.
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 23:39 |
Actually, I was in a band for a short period of time, but I was just the vocalist.
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 23:42 |
GHOSTNOTE wrote:
I am a drummer, who has loved progressive rock for many years and i have noticed
that myself and other musicians i haved jammed with over the years can relate with this
style of music, but people who do not play a musical instrument do not.
So ultimitly is prog rock for musicians only? |
Wow... how terribly condescending and presumptuous. The only thing I play is the stereo; I also happen to value my mind and my sanity, and I'd prefer not to squander either on sh*tty main-stream music. To suggest that good music can only be appreciated by people who play music is absurd and rather disrespectful.
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 23:48 |
ResidentAlien wrote:
GHOSTNOTE wrote:
I am a drummer, who has loved progressive rock for many years and i have noticed
that myself and other musicians i haved jammed with over the years can relate with this
style of music, but people who do not play a musical instrument do not.
So ultimitly is prog rock for musicians only? |
Wow... how terribly condescending and presumptuous. The only thing I play is the stereo; I also happen to value my mind and my sanity, and I'd prefer not to squander either on sh*tty main-stream music. To suggest that good music can only be appreciated by people who play music is absurd and rather disrespectful.
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i dont think thats what he meant. from i believe, he meant that most people he knows that likes prog rock also plays a musical instrument.
what's funny is most ppl i know that like prog ALSO play a musical instrument, though i know some that dont.
to add to the discussion, i think prog is especially great for those who compose, like me. for they just WISH they could have written that song they just heard. 
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 23:56 |
I don't play an instrument now, but I was a cellist when I first got into prog.
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 00:06 |
GHOSTNOTE wrote:
I am a drummer, who has loved progressive rock for many years and i have noticed
that myself and other musicians i haved jammed with over the years can relate with this
style of music, but people who do not play a musical instrument do not.
So ultimitly is prog rock for musicians only? |
Obviously not.
(The only thing I can "play" is a stereo!) 
Only a minority of the prog fans I've known have been musicians.
I imagine one could get the same idea about jazz, if one was a jazz musician. 
(Plus, musicians tend to hang around with/know other musicians.)
Edited by Peter Rideout - November 03 2006 at 00:08
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 00:40 |
I studied piano and played drums for years but most of my proghead friends (Some fanatics) can't play hide and seek.
This sounds elitist and pretentuious even when I'm sure it's not the intention, sensibility and love for good music is not exclusive of musicians.
On the other hand I know a lot of musicians (some proffesionals) who aren't able to understand Prog.
Iván
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 00:49 |
The author's intention clearly was not to offend though he could have worded it better. He's coming from the perspective of a musician and so he knows not the raised eyebrows he may cause...
Edited by Atavachron - November 03 2006 at 00:50
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 00:52 |
I'm not a musician but in a related story once someone was talking to me about music and I said I liked prog and he imediately asked me what instrument I played.
I used to play trumpet in the high school marching band, but I got into prog after I gave up on playing music
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 02:08 |
Very very elitist and pretentious.
You just have to read the archives to see that most prog aficionados can't play any instrument.
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 02:13 |
I dont think prog is just for musicians, its emotional music, that can apeal to anyone.
Of course it depened on some musical education, or to get the idea that music should chalenge our mind, or art suppose to do something, beyond being just an entertainment... so its a question of art education and atitude...
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 02:16 |
No, I'm sorry too if my comments were misunderstood. I'm only saying that it helps a lot to be a musician so you can be marveled at some instrumental or, well, musical stuff that probably you won't recognize if you are not (harmonies, chords, stuff like that). Yes, I started my prog-life when I used to think I played drums (I was a mess) and a loot of things made my jaws drop in awe.... today some of those things don;t have quite the same effect, because I'm no longer hearing them as wizardy or magic but as skillful playing.... so I think it helps, and even more so with jazz, off course, and classical. But to love good music you don't have to be a musician, off course, you just have to have art sensibility. And that's something many non-musicians have....and believe me, something MANY MUSICIANS LACK....
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 02:41 |
To be fair to GHOSTNOTE, he speaks from his experience of his fellow prog. enthusiasts and then he poses a question based on that experience for people to comment on and already we are seeing a range of responses. He definitely is not saying that you have to be a musician to relate to prog.I would say don't condemn him for posing the question.
In any event , it will vary from individual to individual. Are you or have you been a musician? Does that help you relate to prog? Many would answer 'yes'.
I play and I'm into prog and jazz and nearly every other style of music so long as it is played/sung well. Does that make me elitist or a musical snob? Well, I don't believe so, except when it comes to Country and Western [not even playing and singing it well saves it for me {how elitist can you get}]
I have a number of friends who do not sing or play who are absolutely 'die-hard' prog fans. I have late teenage children who sing and play, yet they are very prog intolerant [despite my best efforts to convert them]. My brother-in-law is one of the most soughtafter electric bass players in this country ,based in Melbourne,who plays mainly jazz and fusion by choice and anything else going to help pay the bills . I've exposed him to more prog than fusion and he really enjoys the challenge of it and he says that it helps to give him ideas.
So where is all this leading ? I guess it can help if you are musical but you certainly don't have to be imo.
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 03:34 |
GHOSTNOTE wrote:
So ultimitly is prog rock for musicians only? |
hell no!!!!!!!  .i cant play an isttrument [i can barely type  ] and i love prog
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