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frippster
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 17:28 |
I took two piano lessons when I was 10, and I am an expert finger tapper (heavily Peart-influenced). I don't have musical talent, but I can appreciate musicianship, intricacy, complexity, beauty... Let's say that prog is one of the genres for those who want more from music than just entertainment or background noise.
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Prog.Sylvie
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 16:34 |
I don't play music at all and I always like good prog.music since I am 12 years old . In the middle nineties when I was 34-35 years old, I discovered classical music. When I came back to progressive music three years ago, I could understand and appreciate more the progressive music, and this because I listened a lot of classical music for several years, and jazz music too.
I read Macan's book " The Endless Enigma" about ELP music. I must confess that I am not able to understand the music as Macan's do or like other musicians do understand the music, but I am learning. When Macan is talking to a part in a ELP's piece and describe it, I can relate to it most of the time.
To understand a piece of music, you have to listen to it again and again, and after that you can developpe a musical expertise.
IMO, you don't have to be a musician to like prog.music. In my province, in the seventies, we all grew up with this music, so for us, prog. was a natural way to play music. We never needed to play music to like Genesis , ELP, Gentle Giant and so on. Open mind was enough.
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infandous
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 15:16 |
I started playing guitar about 4 years before I started getting into prog. After that, I was something of a progsnob for a few years. I felt that the only good music was from the early to mid 70's, and Rush  . Luckily, I have changed my perspective quite a bit. Being a musician has certainly enhanced my appreciation of the skill it takes to make what I consider good music. And I still think prog is the best music overall. But learning an instrument is, in itself a progessive endeavor. If you are really into it, you want to keep getting better and keep learning new things. I always strived to be different in my playing, develop my own style, while still learning new things and incorporating them into that style. Most popular rock music strikes me as being stagnant and more of a style and image thing than a musical thing. So I think being a musician is certainly no guarentee that you will like prog. I also have a lot of friends that like prog that are not musicians at all and never have been. A couple people I know, who have broader music tastes than I do, actually know more about music than me in terms of harmonic development and composition, and they have never played an instrument. The bottom line is you like what you like and nothing else matters at all. Just because I know what time signatures, keys, scales, and harmonic patterns a song is using, doesn't mean I somehow get more enjoyment out of it than someone who doesn't know or understand those things. In fact, that person may well enjoy it more, depending on the song, perciesely because they don't understand those things
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Uroboros
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 14:53 |
One thing I'd like to point out is that you usually don't hear a musician saying things like "band X sucks" or "prog metal is not prog", "I can't stand double bass" or "prog died in '75" and whatever else. It's very unlikely to hear stupid remarks from musicians, basically because they know better and they have an ear that is more accustomed to recognizing other musicians' merits. So, I would say that an untrained ear is more exposed to the threat of ignorance.
On the other hand, I know people who don't play any instrument but have a very fine ear for good music. It's largely a question of having an open mind and soul, a flexible sensibility and being willing to understand and constantly explore. All educated people (in any cultural field) are potential lovers of good music.
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Tous les chemins
qui s’ouvrent à moi
ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là
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jalas
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 13:57 |
It's all a matter of exposure. It's really easy to like music in the mainstream since it's very accessable through the TV or the radio. It is easier to just say that you listen to everything. As I've said before, I live in South Florida and this is not a good place to find prog fans. When you do, they're usually musicians. I do not want to think that all prog fans are musicians, but so far, from my personal experience, that is what I see. Of course I blame it on where I live.
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progismylife
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 13:05 |
Music also helps me appreciate the musicians more. My non playing friends do not realise how good the players are because they have not tried to learn that song on an instrument.
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progismylife
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 12:41 |
I have friends, who are not musicians, and they love prog a lot. Being a musician myself has brought new light to my eyes. I listened to prog before I picked up bass, and when I did it changed and I could have more appreciation for the music. But I do not think prog is for musicians only. It just helps some people to understand it better.
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eugene
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 12:39 |
stonebeard wrote:
Yes. And even if you're not a musician, just say you are. It makes things easier. Like if you say "I like prog rock," and someone else says "What's that?" you can always say "Oh, you wouldn't understand. It's for musicians. It's like...complex and stuff."
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 that's a good one
I know many musicians and bigger part of them have no idea (or have a very vague idea) of what prog is. From other side almost all die hard fanatics of prog (including myself) that I know are not musicians.
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Padraic
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 12:22 |
I used to play the drums but haven't sat behind a kit to "seriously" play in almost 10 years. I would never consider myself a "musician".
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FragileDT
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 12:19 |
ResidentAlien wrote:
GHOSTNOTE wrote:
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2"> I am a drummer, who has loved progressive rock for many years and i have noticed
that myself and other musicians i haved jammed with over the years can relate with this
style of music, but people who do not play a musical instrument do not.
So ultimitly is prog rock for musicians only? | Wow... how terribly condescending and presumptuous. The only thing I play is the stereo; I also happen to value my mind and my sanity, and I'd prefer not to squander either on sh*tty main-stream music. To suggest that good music can only be appreciated by people who play music is absurd and rather disrespectful. |
Absolutely agree. And I've been playing guitar and saxophone for a long time now.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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el böthy
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 12:08 |
It also crossed my mind in some moments, but no... there are a lot of people that just dont like mainstream rock, or just plainly like prog, even though they may not understand that a certain song is in 7/8 ...they like what they hear. I know people that listen to not only prog but other more non-comercial music cause they dont want a 3 minutes song about the girl next door.
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JayDee
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 11:09 |
No. Though musical ability is a big contributing factor with regards to liking prog.
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sleeper
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 11:06 |
When I got ito prog I didnt play any instrument, and only in the last year have I tacken up the bass, though this is because of prog.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Visitor13
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 11:03 |
Of course not.
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Artisalie
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 10:55 |
I do not believe that prog music is only for musicians. Music is a form of art to be appreciated by everyone. You can enjoy a painting, a poem, or a film without understanding the construction or creation of it. Although, a musician may understand more about the music it does not make the experience any better or more valid.
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The hand that signed the treaty bred a fever,
And famine grew, and locusts came;
Great is the hand that holds dominion over
Man by a scribbled name.
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Philéas
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 10:40 |
No. Prog is not only for musicians, though it's certainly easier to
appreciate it if one is a musician. The only 100 % Proghead friend I
have is not a musician, while many of my musician friends aren't
Progheads (though they appreciate most Prog).
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T.Rox
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 10:08 |
I've been listening to prog music for about 35 years now ... I gave up trying to play an instrument about 32 or 33 years ago because I was just no good at it
My part in the progress and spread of prog: spinning plenty of prog songs - even complete albums - on Community Radio ... and always playing at least one epic of over 15 minutes every week, backed up by plenty in the 10 to 15 minute bracket played throughout the show 
If you are into prog - you must be coz you are on PA - find a community radio station near you and extend the hand of prog to the listeners in your area by spinning up a prog music storm 
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"Without prog, life would be a mistake."
...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche
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Masque
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 09:28 |
Some musicians don`t like prog , just thought I better warn you
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andu
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 09:24 |
something more: most prog-fans are not musicians, but prog DOES encourage fans to take on learning to play musical instruments. i praise it for this.
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Firepuck
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 09:21 |
Never played an instrument, can't sing, LOVE prog - go figure.
You should turn this into a poll.
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