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Points: 4318 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2006 at 07:53
Originally posted by GHOSTNOTE GHOSTNOTE wrote:

        I am sorry if I offended anyone who does not play a musical instrument that they could not
appreciiate progressive rock. That was not my intention at all.

        I just meant that if you take the AVERAGE music listener, and expose them to prog, most

of the time they do not understand it. They are just used to tapping their feet to 4/4 time and

are not aware of the complexities of a more complicated musical format.

        P.S. I LOVE ROCK AND ROLL TOO.


Expose a prog fan to 50 hours of yodeling non stop. Then throw 20 more hours of traditional African music. Progger will explode like a snail in a microwave. You talk too much about format, and yet you say nothing about content. The notes and the instrument are just formal elements, you are missing the content, the interrelated meanings, etc.
    
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Points: 4318 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2006 at 07:49
Originally posted by thecool thecool wrote:

ofcourse prog is for musicians! we musicians are a step above regular folk, our brains are more developed i guess.


I can prove you wrong 100 times, starting with very bad art cover choices. Musicians, as such, are many times much to devoted to plain music theory, and don't take the time to go to the eye of the issue: Phenomenology.
    
    

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I can't play a note but LOVE prog.
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ofcourse prog is for musicians! we musicians are a step above regular folk, our brains are more developed i guess.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 22:26
Man...Why the controversy?!! As I and others said, what we mean is, THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS IN MUSIC THAT YOU'LL APPRECIATE MORE if you are a musician OR IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT MUSIC THEORY at least.... But I insist: anyone with an OPEN MIND and ART SENSIBILITY may like, may love prog..... and I repeat: there ARE MUSICIANS WHO DON'T HAVE THAT, too....so please, don;t take offense where no offense was meant to be done....Gee..
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No offence taken, m8. I think it takes someone of a more complex and philosophical nature to appreciate prog. Your average "must have it now and it must be quick" person on the street has neither the time nor, in most cases, the intelligence to sit down and listen to music.

In the UK, at least, most people go out to a club on a Friday night with the express purpose of getting so drunk that they fall over/puke their guts up/can't remember what they did. They hear cr@p music all the time they're there. I guess they listen to the same cr@p all through the week in anticipation of the coming weekend of drunken loutishness.

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        I am sorry if I offended anyone who does not play a musical instrument that they could not
appreciiate progressive rock. That was not my intention at all.
        I just meant that if you take the AVERAGE music listener, and expose them to prog, most
of the time they do not understand it. They are just used to tapping their feet to 4/4 time and
are not aware of the complexities of a more complicated musical format.
        P.S. I LOVE ROCK AND ROLL TOO.
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I don't know any proghead who doesn't play any instruments, but i guess its prog which makes you try an instrument and not the other way round.

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I really enjoy Lasagna but could not prepare it to save my life! Would it help if I knew what it takes to make good lasagna to enjoy it? I think not! Would it give me more appreciation for who ever prepared it? Of course!

I've recently purchased a Keyboard so as to start learning how to play it, but it's very frustrating wanting to go from simple chords to trying to play like Wakeman!
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Originally posted by GHOSTNOTE GHOSTNOTE wrote:

So ultimitly is prog rock for musicians only?

Isn't that a bit like saying "Are the only people on buses other bus drivers?"

I don't have a musical bone in my body, but life without Prog Metal just wouldn't be worth living!
    

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I would say that I'm musically minded/musically aware, but I don't play an instrument at the moment. My enjoyment of prog is great, and I appricate the musicianship and complexity of the music I listen to. I am intending at some point to purchase a Bass guitar, and may I have many happy years ahead of me following that path. More than likely though I shall find myself a hapless shop worker for the unforseeable future.

I can whistle incredibly well though, so that's a bonus...LOL
 
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Prog is not for musicians only, but surely appreciation for the instrumental aspects to any music is enriched by the understanding of music gained when learning to play an instrument or studying musical theory.  I suspect that 'Liquid Tension Experiment' is appreciated to a greater degree by musicians being in its entirety a celebration of instrumental prowess, wheras an album such as 'Permanent Waves' by Rush is pretty open to anyone.
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Prog is all about emotions,i dont care much of level of musicianship.Imagination is much more important than knowledge.I cant play any instrument but i listen music with heart not with ears.
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Points: 93 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 19:21
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

something more: most prog-fans are not musicians, but prog DOES encourage fans to take on learning to play musical instruments. i praise it for this.
THIS IS REALLY TRUE!!!
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Points: 93 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 19:12
Originally posted by ShW1 ShW1 wrote:

I dont think prog is just for musicians, its emotional music, that can apeal to anyone.

Of course it depened on some musical education, or to get the idea that music should chalenge our mind, or art suppose to do something, beyond being just an entertainment... so its a question of art education and atitude...
 
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Points: 461 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 18:54
certainly not... i heard Camel when i was 16 and knew next to nothing about music, but i was hooked none the less... it did inspire me to go into music because it was so good but some bands are so beutiful anyone can love it. People who write music to 'impress' musicians are the sort of people who give lternative music a bad name
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Points: 2567 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 18:43
No, but musicians tend to apprectiate it more
Bassists are deadly
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Points: 891 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 17:36


You can always say you're a musician. Then later when someone asks you what you play tell them you are a rapper.
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Points: 4318 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 17:32
I'm not a musician. Please let me know about the final conclusion of this thread, so I can decide about the CD's I already have. Thank you in advance.
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