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Points: 997 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2006 at 20:40
Originally posted by Moekk Moekk wrote:

Opeths music would suffer a lot by the loss of akerfeldts growls. Growls, espacially Akerfeldts, which are better than from any other deathmetalband Ive heard, can express feelings and elements of music which wouldnt be possible with normal singing. Its like a demon who lives deep inside your soul and appears all of a sudden in unholy energy. All bad emotions like fear, anger, greed and pain focused in an inhumen form of expression. Sure maybe opeths using growls too frequently so it might loose sense at some points (for me) but without them opeth would loose a great element of their music and doing so get much more boring too.

Agallochs whisper/screaming/singing vocals are genious. How can you tell that the music is great apart form the vocals (which really isnt the case. Ashes against the grain is a very simple "prog" album) when the vocals show all the important elements of agalloch?
this schizophrenia is important, it shows the incredible despair, the longing and the seemingly hopeless search of the protagonist.
 
Since I'm the one who said I very much enjoy the music of Agalloch, but not the growls (hisses, screams) I have to dispute your last statement. Actually, Ashes Against The Grain contains 3 full instrumentals, and further most songs are largely instrumental as well. As an example: "Limbs" is 9:50, of which the first 5:05 minutes are completely instrumental. I counted the instrumental vs. vocal parts of the album (to write this response) and of the 60 minutes (59:45 actually) roughly 50 minutes is instrumental, and less than 10 minutes contains vocals.
The music of Agalloch may be (your words) "simple prog" but I enjoy it very much. Compare it to the Metallica song "To Live Is To Die", also not highly complicated "prog" but very beautiful.
Actual highlights from "Ashes" for me are
- The part of "Limbs" from 2:50 until 5:05
- The instrumental "Our Fortress is Burning I"
- The first part of "Our Fortress is Burning II - Bloodbirds" (0:00 - 3:45)
- and many, many other beautiful guitar riffs, even in the background of the growls! 


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Mikael Akerfeld't growls is what I like less in their music, but with them, the mellower parts are elevated, getting truly sublime, etheral, almost methaphysical. In other way, they are perfect to describe some feelings. I admit it is difficult, but at the same time, rewarding with time.
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Points: 10063 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2006 at 21:36
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

This is a silly topic.<Well, your post is silly as well. Why bother posting in a silly threadLOL>.Why do people pose these questions?.<Because They want to know something that could have happened if.....(insert silly condition here) I just basically want to read other peoples views about growling and stuff.>What if Fish had stayed in Marillion? <Dont know much about them.> What if John Bonham hadn't died? <Eventually, all of us will.> What if there was a world with no hypothetical situations? <Then, it would be a borrrrrriiiiing world.>
 
Opeth is what it is, and Mikael won't change because people who are not used to growls will feel better.<Not forcing them to change though>. Opeth is one of the most inventive metal bands of the modern era, perhaps ever,<AGREED!> and I wouldn't have them sacrifice a part of themselves to get on the Billboard Top 200.<Who would want to anyways?>

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I go by the old adage if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and opeth certainly ain't broke. the heavy and quiet elements of their music compliment and accentuate each other so well...you'd lose so much without both...just imagine how inferior the explosion at the beginning of ghost of perdition would be without the growls, or the ferocious climax of blackwater park...opeth are perfectly fine the way they are.
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Originally posted by Soul Dreamer Soul Dreamer wrote:

 
Since I'm the one who said I very much enjoy the music of Agalloch, but not the growls (hisses, screams) I have to dispute your last statement. Actually, Ashes Against The Grain contains 3 full instrumentals, and further most songs are largely instrumental as well. As an example: "Limbs" is 9:50, of which the first 5:05 minutes are completely instrumental. I counted the instrumental vs. vocal parts of the album (to write this response) and of the 60 minutes (59:45 actually) roughly 50 minutes is instrumental, and less than 10 minutes contains vocals.
The music of Agalloch may be (your words) "simple prog" but I enjoy it very much. Compare it to the Metallica song "To Live Is To Die", also not highly complicated "prog" but very beautiful.
Actual highlights from "Ashes" for me are
- The part of "Limbs" from 2:50 until 5:05
- The instrumental "Our Fortress is Burning I"
- The first part of "Our Fortress is Burning II - Bloodbirds" (0:00 - 3:45)
- and many, many other beautiful guitar riffs, even in the background of the growls! 
 
 
I think it's a really great album as well. I'm quite surprised actually that only 10 minutes of it is vocal. Anyway, I wouldn't change the album for the world. The vocals stand out to me from any other band and compliment the mood of the music so well. Personally, It's my pick for 2006 album of the year.
 
 
 
 
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:49
The Germans would have won The War.
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

The Germans would have won The War.


and Stonebeard wouldn't have posted this ridiculously on-topic post! Big smile

after all those long posts barely vaguely attempting to answer the topic question, it was refreshing to see such a short, concise and funny answer!

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on-topic: the contrasts of their music wouldn't be half as powerful as they are now!
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