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    Posted: January 26 2007 at 05:42
Am new to this...
Was running through the list of forums and saw this.
In the mid seventies a little known musician called William S. Fisher who was an early mooger, and played for Herbie Mann released an album now re released by Wah Wah records in Spain. I can´t remember the name of the record but I do remember that it was a collection of Basque fairy tales, (mostly about witches) set to music.
Judging from his only other album, (Circes) thatssome funky ass prog.
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There´s a band called Magdalena, (not the Japanese one) but i found
some interesting words:
 
They haven't got any success for them but they made one of the best records in the basque progressive. Great work of Mikel Landa in winds. With a similar line-up than that of Lisker the sound of Magdalena is more complex and closer to jazz rock. Long themes with good solos and constant rhythm changes
 
Anyone familiar? it may be interesting i think


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It's true they do not sound radically different, but there was an approach in basque music which I found more unappealing; unfortunately I can't tell which because I heard it a long time ago. Galician music also tends to turn me off at times too; although there's a band called Fuxan Os Ventos which is more hinting to medieval/early renaissance music with celtic folk and has more consonance.
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Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

Basque names are something like this: Zurriaga, Ezkerro, Zabaleta, etc (they hardly use "c" or "s" or "v" in their names, if I'm not mistaken.. they also tend to replace the "ch" with "tx")... I didn't know the Basque region had prog-folk bands, but I surely wouldn't go as far as to say I'm fond of that region's music; Galicia however drew inevitably from celtic roots and an example of Galician celtic folk appears in the band "Mägo De Oz" (which is more metal than folk itself IMO)
    
    
    
 
Actually this Basque prog folk or its no,-prog folk cousin does not sound radically different than others. While I am only somewhat familiar with Asturian and Galgian folk music, they do not sound particularly more Celtic (in a Irish or Scotts way), but they do have bagpipes and stuff
 
Of all folk music from Spain, Flamenco is the only one that really sounds very different, but Flamenco is more gypsy music than Andalusian music per se. Of course the usual clicjés of Corrida, Flamenco etc... are linked to the Spanish realm as much as thepiercing horns and the Rodrigo classical music (Aranjuez for ex).
 
 
But most of these groups I speak of are definitely axed towards a folk rock sound, rather than pure folk.
 
Towards the more pure folk
Eider and Izukaitz and early Errobi
 
towards Fairport Convention
Haizea and Enbor
 
Towards  symphonic
Itoiz and second phase Errobi
 
Definitely more rock:
Lisker and Sakre
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That cover has flamenco written all over it, in my perspective... I could also tell from the way he mantains his right hand; then again I could be wrong.

While trying not to stray much from subject (and since flamenco has been frecuently brought up) I wholeheartily recommend Juan Martin, a flamenco guitarrist playing a mix of "palos" with a more symphonic rock format.
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Yes, you are talking much sense - and of course I thinking back to about 1969. Now had more time to check out Manitas De Plata's record catalogue as offered on the web, and the word Flamenco seem to be the most common in album titles (indeed found a sub-4 quid deal on an album with that name at Amazon.Uk only  minutes ago, to check out these faulty memories), also discovered that the LP I remember listening to was called Hommages - stereo LP from 67 or 68 going for 46 quid. However, the most common word in song titles on these albums is Camargue! A fusion of SW European musics???????
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Basque names are something like this: Zurriaga, Ezkerro, Zabaleta, etc (they hardly use "c" or "s" or "v" in their names, if I'm not mistaken.. they also tend to replace the "ch" with "tx")... I didn't know the Basque region had prog-folk bands, but I surely wouldn't go as far as to say I'm fond of that region's music; Galicia however drew inevitably from celtic roots and an example of Galician celtic folk appears in the band "Mägo De Oz" (which is more metal than folk itself IMO)
    
    
    

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

I suppose when I realised I could spell Camargue correctly, got Google to do a websearch on 'Camargue Guitarists' - third entry given and I struck gold:
Camargue de Manitas
 
heard of this gentleman?
 
Afraid not!!Embarrassed  >> not really a Basque name either, but this might be a stage name.
 
But I only named a few Basque groups here, they (The Basques) had dozens of singers as well in the singer/songwriter's mode too. Most ofwhich I never heard.
 
Probably 30 years since I last heard MdP's music (so do I risk buy an album???) - but I'm sure there was a Basque connection - with apologies to Basques, to my English ears a name that comes from south of the Pyrennes.
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

I suppose when I realised I could spell Camargue correctly, got Google to do a websearch on 'Camargue Guitarists' - third entry given and I struck gold:
Camargue de Manitas
 
heard of this gentleman?
 
Afraid not!!Embarrassed  >> not really a Basque name either, but this might be a stage name.
 
But I only named a few Basque groups here, they (The Basques) had dozens of singers as well in the singer/songwriter's mode too. Most ofwhich I never heard.


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I suppose when I realised I could spell Camargue correctly, got Google to do a websearch on 'Camargue Guitarists' - third entry given and I struck gold:
Camargue de Manitas
 
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

A toughie Hugues which I don't know the answer. Who was the Basque singer/acoustic guitarists  (French Camargue ?? bad spelling) at the end of the 60's, a favourite of the Saint Tropez set, and  had some popularity in the UK? One of his albums on CBS/Columbia had titles of tunes such as Bridgette Bardot, Pablo Pasco
 
Hi Dick, the Camargue (your spelliung was correct, your geography slighly less) is the Rhone Delta next to Marseille (and has more of a gypsy folk), which is about 600 Km away from the French Basque province (where Bayonne and Biarritz are), and the Basque capital is St-Jean De Luz in the heart of the Pyrenée mountains.
 
 
The only singer that comes to mind coming from that Province in Francis Cabrel but he's been around only since the mid-70's , but the man has integrity and thought-proviking socially-conscious lyrics.
 
Originally posted by sinkadotentree sinkadotentree wrote:

Coincidently iv'e been listeninng to ITOIZ-"Ezekiel" all this week.Not the strongest vocals but i love the flute,sax and violin that accompanies the ever-present acoustic guitar.A very good listen.
 
 
Actually, I find the way this Basque language is sung is being delivered very much in a Italian-style, such as most Italian-styled symphonic prog. I am fairly irritated at the fact that the Itoiz albums are the only ones where the Basque text have not been translated to Spanish and French (hell they were not even printed in Basque), because I believe that Ezekiel is most likely to be a pure masterpiece of Basque poetry
 
Maybe the person I'm trying to remember the name of was an Basque exile living in the Camargue, but not, I'm afraid, Francis Cabrel - his name may have even been a single word??????????????? I used to play his music in a record shop I worked around 1970 +/- a year or two, but never bought - and indeed to have this guy's records in that particular shop meant he was doing okay musically internationally.
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

A toughie Hugues which I don't know the answer. Who was the Basque singer/acoustic guitarists  (French Camargue ?? bad spelling) at the end of the 60's, a favourite of the Saint Tropez set, and  had some popularity in the UK? One of his albums on CBS/Columbia had titles of tunes such as Bridgette Bardot, Pablo Pasco
 
Hi Dick, the Camargue (your spelliung was correct, your geography slighly less) is the Rhone Delta next to Marseille (and has more of a gypsy folk), which is about 600 Km away from the French Basque province (where Bayonne and Biarritz are), and the Basque capital is St-Jean De Luz in the heart of the Pyrenée mountains.
 
 
The only singer that comes to mind coming from that Province in Francis Cabrel but he's been around only since the mid-70's , but the man has integrity and thought-proviking socially-conscious lyrics.
 
Originally posted by sinkadotentree sinkadotentree wrote:

Coincidently iv'e been listeninng to ITOIZ-"Ezekiel" all this week.Not the strongest vocals but i love the flute,sax and violin that accompanies the ever-present acoustic guitar.A very good listen.
 
 
Actually, I find the way this Basque language is sung is being delivered very much in a Italian-style, such as most Italian-styled symphonic prog. I am fairly irritated at the fact that the Itoiz albums are the only ones where the Basque text have not been translated to Spanish and French (hell they were not even printed in Basque), because I believe that Ezekiel is most likely to be a pure masterpiece of Basque poetry
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Yep, actually some vocals could be annoying, so does the language, but the music is excellent after all!

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Coincidently iv'e been listeninng to ITOIZ-"Ezekiel" all this week.Not the strongest vocals but i love the flute,sax and violin that accompanies the ever-present acoustic guitar.A very good listen.
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A toughie Hugues which I don't know the answer. Who was the Basque singer/acoustic guitarists  (French Camargue ?? bad spelling) at the end of the 60's, a favourite of the Saint Tropez set, and  had some popularity in the UK? One of his albums on CBS/Columbia had titles of tunes such as Bridgette Bardot, Pablo Pasco
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Oh boy, more stuff to listen to!
Don't you guys sometimes wish you had three heads, 3 sets of ears and 50 hour days?
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Well, i got interested since i saw this thread, and found some good links which offers great info about this Basque scene, you may be interested as well.

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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2007 at 12:49
Very nice work, Hugues. Thanks for the good reading and info. Always glad to read and know more.
Heard several of these bands (and liked it). I shuold be able to get some of those I don't know from your list.
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I've only heard Itoiz and Haizea...I really like the two Haizea albums I own...very melodic music with great vocals.

I also have two Itoiz albums...I like the first one better than Ezekiel. I hope to be able to hear some more of those bands you mention.
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Points: 13033 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2007 at 12:24
Nice work Hugues!
 
Basque Folk Prog is something that i should dig deeper since according to my mom, my grandfather´s family lived in the Basque region, also because Ezekiel is a magnific album though their basque language sounds very strange to me, but the music is excellentThumbs Up

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