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    Posted: March 12 2007 at 13:26
Now, it may seem like a no-brainer to indicate Symphonic Prog as users of classical instruments such as the French Horn, Cello, Violin, and Concert Harp. However, I have heard scant amounts of these in the so-called symphony genre; in fact, I have heard more in Art Rock. Gentle Giant's meanderings have shown me that classical acoustic instruments can work in prog. Renaissance is the only symphonic band I have heard which utilizes a full orchestra, as evident in "Scheherazade...".

Does anyone know of classical instruments, such as those used in concertos, sonatas, symphonies, quartets, etc, are/have been used in prog? Sure, we've got the everbeautiful Mellotron, but those are mere tape banks, not the actual acoustic instruments! I ask this because the cello and concert piano are literally my favourite instruments. I have also composed for cello and piano, gaining an even greater respect; now, what if it were in prog? I'd been very happy to know that, but I know zero examples.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 13:32
Gryphon used any amount of concerto instruments both contemporary and ancient (e.g. Bassoon and Crumbhorn).Early Barclay James Harvest also utilised the concert orchestra whose arranger was Robert John Godfrey who formed The Enid and did like-wise arrangements for them.

Edited by Man Erg - March 12 2007 at 17:14

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 13:41
The prog metal band Indukti uses a violin as a primary instrument, I think it works very well with the music.

Also, Pure Reason Revolution uses a violin in some songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 13:46
Godspeed You Black Emporor!

The line up consists of cellists and violinists in the studio and, on the odd occasion, the whole lot play live when the venue/stage can accomodate them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 13:49
The music of Hungarian symph-prog band After Crying relies heavily on traditional orchestral instruments.  I'm not really familiar with their work though, so I can't give any specific recommendation.  I think there is a sound sample on PA.
 
EDIT: If you want to look outside the symphonic prog sub-genre, there's a bunch of "chamber rock" bands making more avant-leaning music using orchestral instruments.  Your first port of call here should probably be Univers Zero (e.g. the albums Heresie, Ceux  Du Dehors, or Live).  Unfortunately there aren't any samples on PA.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 14:04
King Crimson used David Cross' violin to great effect especially on the classic, Lark's Tongues in Aspic album
The Mahavishnu Orchestra (Jerry Goodman ex Flock) and PFM were other bands amongst many that utilised the violin (predominantly electric) during the 1970's.

The concert harp is also getting an airing of late.
Joanna Newsom, one of the burgeoning new Prog/Acid folk brigade plays the harp on both of her albums. I;m sure she may be considered inclusion in PAs one day.   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 14:22
^Yes, After Crying use these instruments in abundance. Try De Profundis or After Crying 6. Great stuff IMHO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 14:53

A great example, and possibly one of my favorites.

You could find alot of classical instruments in the Avantgarde genre.  Estradasphere and Sleepytime Gorilla Museum both use several classical instruments in their music.
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I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde!

Al di Meola.

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haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 15:09
Frank Zappa did tons of orchestral and chamber music that, while not always prog, certainly appeals to the prog mindset.
 
The Italian prog group Deus Ex Machina does a really nice string quartet with vocals on their latest CD "Cinque". Violin figures prominantly on all their CDs.
 
Drummer extraordinaire Terry Bozzio does amazing stuff with the drumset in a chamber orchestra setting on his "Chamber Works" CD. It includes Five Movements for Drumset String quarted and Woodwind quintet. He also has a DVD performance with the Tosca Strings. Would I call it prog? Hmmmm...... Oh, he also has a CD of chamber works with the Metropole Orkest.
 
Guitar player Steve Morse does fabulous Baroque style arrangements for Guitar, Violin, Bass and Keyboards. There's at least one on every Dixie Dregs CD.
 
I haven't heard it, but Mike Keneally has a CD with the Metropole Orkest called "The Universe Will Provide" I've been told it's fabulous.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 15:19
Ian, if you're looking for cello & stuff in prog, the experimental area might give better result. Godspeed is a good start. I would also recommend Domnisoara Pogany, a band at the borders between postrock, avant & folk, consisting of acoustic guitar & mandolin, cello, flute and percussion. If you're interested, I could help you with some samples.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 15:48

The viola work (it's not a violin Wink ) in Hoelderlin is wonderful, especially on their live album Traumstadt. Other great prog with violin is Italian band PFM and Japanese band Outer Limits, my favorite album is The Scene Of Pale Blue.

The Snow Goose by Camel has strong classical overtones.

The Moody Blues, Procol Harum, Deep Purple and Uriah Heep made an album with a classical orchestra.

The bombastic keyboard sound on the early The Enid albums is like a classical orchestra, very unique and compelling prog Thumbs%20Up

I will check out my collection later, Ian, good luck with your quest.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 15:55
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

The viola work in Hoelderlin is wonderful, especially on their live album Traumstadt. Other great prog with violin is Italian band PFM and Japanese band Outer Limits, my favorite album is The Scen Of Pale Blue.

The Snow Goose by Camel has strong classical overtones.

The Moody Blues, Procol Harum, Deep Purple and Uriah Heep made an album with a classical orchestra.

The bombastic keyboard sound on the early The Enid albums is like a classical orchestra, very unique and compelling prog Thumbs%20Up

I will check out my collection later, Ian, good luck with your quest.
 
 That reminded me of the rather harsh reactions the guys made at the PROG RADIO thread towards an Enid track that was played that night (afternoon for meWink) in Dick Heath's Alternative Alternative radio show; in fact it meet our concept of cheeseLOL (I believe it just had the wrong audience).
 
 Another one comes to mind: Anglagard utilises a classically-trained female flute player
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 15:58
Maybe you heard the wrong Enid track? I mean "Six Pieces" and "In the Region..." are hardly cheesy and definitely the proggiest albums. The others go deeper into strict classical, pop, new wave, new age, dance, etc etc etc... You can't really dismiss a band on the basis of one trackWink.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 16:01
Originally posted by Zac M Zac M wrote:

Maybe you heard the wrong Enid track? I mean "Six Pieces" and "In the Region..." are hardly cheesy and definitely the proggiest albums. The others go deeper into strict classical, pop, new wave, new age, dance, etc etc etc... You can't really dismiss a band on the basis of one trackWink.
 
 Well of course, the rant arise for me particularly on that track, while others are already traumatized over itLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 16:04
Try to find "Six Pieces," I think it's impossible not to like if you like complex, symphonic Prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 16:06
Originally posted by Zac M Zac M wrote:

Try to find "Six Pieces," I think it's impossible not to like if you like complex, symphonic Prog.
 
 Will do but in a much later stage, because money right now is not exactly flooding for me right now. Plus I have a full wishlist alreadyTongue. Thanks anyway for the recommendation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 16:08
Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

Originally posted by Zac M Zac M wrote:

Try to find "Six Pieces," I think it's impossible not to like if you like complex, symphonic Prog.
 
 Will do but in a much later stage, because money right now is not exactly flooding for me right now. Plus I have a full wishlist alreadyTongue. Thanks anyway for the recommendation.

I can relate, I already own around 15 Enid albums though, I thinkEmbarrassed, call me a fanboy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 16:10
Well, we have Godspeed... I completely forgot about them, and am listening to my three album repertoire now. I have always considered them a partly-"classical" ensemble, though, creating their own miniature symphonies at times. At any rate, they give me more appreciation of the "classical" genre than Beethoven ever did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 16:14
Oh and of course I had to forget the Enid! The songs "In the Region of Summer Stars", and "The Lovers" from the latter's eponymous album truly struck me. The sound of trumpet bursting serenely over water, evolving into a rock-oriented-yet-still-classical piece, still affects me. To a greater degree, the latter of the two mentioned evokes images inside me of Liszt's slower pieces for piano; Debussy's and Satie's music as well. The addition of strings, and then slight horns, makes it one of my favourite progressive music pieces.

Shame they aren't actual acoustic instruments, except perhaps a grand piano? Hah.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 16:14
...and also you should try "No Quarter Unledded" by Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, a great meeting with good ol' prog-related and various traditional folklore/classical instruments.
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