Reviews discussion

Sean Trane wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Atavachron wrote: ^ it's really well written   Thanks!! I find it well written too.   Actually I think this abject piece of crap ofd an album should get the boot from the Archives   The subject of the album is enough political incorrecteness to get eviction. I proposed either a retreat of the album or installing a warning that PA is against this despicable endorsement of  school violence, muder, torture and rape.   The authors should be ashamed of their abjectness.         Just because the album is about human nature and violence doesn't mean it's an endorsement of it.Frameshift's last album was a loose concept revolving around genetics,this one deals with human violence.   And how dare you try to censure an album that is here just because you object to the lyrical content !!!!!!!   Freedom of speech can only go so far, Jody!!   I'm sure you object to the lyrical content too (at least I hope so) so you shouldn't have problems understanding what I'm getting at.   The preaching of hate contributes to the spreading of hatred.   In the case of Frameshift's album, I did not read texts where it condemned the practices of murder, rape, torture and school violence. It wasn't even informative or wraning of the dangers.   Hence it can only be an endorsement. And if it isn't exactly an endorsement per se, than it is a blatant and hateful exploitation of Columbine.   Political correctness is a value most conservateur Americans agree with, I think.

Sean, just a follow up from our PM's.  I followed the making of the Frameshift album through Henning Pauly's website and he knew it would be difficult to get the album's true point across.  Of course he does not condone this type of violence.  But the fact of the matter is that it does exist.  He was trying to show where this type of behavior germinates and its progression from there.  What drives these people to do what they do?  He probably did little to answer the question or serve up possible solutions.  Probably an album is a poor conduit to get this type of info into the public domain as the message can be easily misconstrued.  This is especially true with a metal album, with the myriad of bands who celebrate the type of stuff in AOE.  But I truly believe his intentions were honorable, not an endorsement of such acts.  thanks

TheProgtologist wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Atavachron wrote: ^ it's really well written   Thanks!! I find it well written too.   Actually I think this abject piece of crap ofd an album should get the boot from the Archives   The subject of the album is enough political incorrecteness to get eviction. I proposed either a retreat of the album or installing a warning that PA is against this despicable endorsement of  school violence, muder, torture and rape.   The authors should be ashamed of their abjectness.         Just because the album is about human nature and violence doesn't mean it's an endorsement of it.Frameshift's last album was a loose concept revolving around genetics,this one deals with human violence.   And how dare you try to censure an album that is here just because you object to the lyrical content !!!!!!!

Oh ok Ivan, it looks different when you put it that way. No hard feelings, I just misunderstood you.

Sean Trane wrote: Atavachron wrote: ^ it's really well written   Thanks!! I find it well written too.   Actually I think this abject piece of crap ofd an album should get the boot from the Archives   The subject of the album is enough political incorrecteness to get eviction. I proposed either a retreat of the album or installing a warning that PA is against this despicable endorsement of  school violence, muder, torture and rape.   The authors should be ashamed of their abjectness.

Atavachron wrote: ^ it's really well written

Ivan, I think you are ebing a little harsh here. Just because the general consensus liked that album doesn't mean that he is attacking the album by giving it two stars. It just might not be his cup of tea. Maybe the Dolly Parton comparison was a little strong, but the review is fine in my eyes.

Tuxon wrote:

I was merely saying I didn't see anything wrong with the review, if that's his opinion than that's to be accepted.

 

I agree with you about not being deletion material, but it’s rude and flawed IMHO, Teaflax hasn’t given a single opinion about the album except:

 

1.        There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven

2.        instrumental sections are free to be more melodically and harmonically adventurous.

 

But then everything changes as art of magic:

 

1.      Prog band be fronted by Dolly Parton's less talented sister

2.      There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven, but they really don't matter much when paired with a vocalist with such mainstream leanings

3.      Calls it elevator music

 

Please Tux, how can something be solid and adventurous but at the same time be Muzak?

 

Teaflax searches for the most rude terms and comparisons, I absolutely understand if somebody doesn’t like Seven, specially if heard after the incredible Revolutions, but here are ways to say the things.

 

 

Tuxon wrote:

Just because it doesn't compare to the consensus view, doesn't make the taste of the reviewer bad. and Kansas is quite mediocre come to think about it (judging from a progressive rock perspective).

 

Again, it’s not his taste, let me tell you I don’t Like Lark’s Tongues in Aspic almost at all, but would never write a review saying it’s crap.

 

Even worst, if I tried to be coherent, I could not say Bruford is not clumsy because I have praised him before or that Fripp is a talent less jerk because it’s false, so in the pure style of the review under comment, I could say:

 

“Yes, the music is solid, Bruford is impeccable, Fripp is solid as airways but the mainstream tendencies of Wetton reminds me of Michael Jackson’s talentless brother”

 

That would be absurd of course, there’s no relation between both and I would be lying, well Dolly Parton has absolutely nothing in common with Christina, they are opposite poles, not that Dolly is bad, she’s an icon of Country but simply they are totally different.

 

Lets remember by his Kansas thread that Teaflax HATES COUNTRY, that was the main reason for his insults against Kansas, he admits a Prog band having Celtic Ethnic influences, but calling something Country is almost like insulting your mother for him, so he selected the most insulting comparison in his dictionary.

 

Now about Kansas, I disagree with them being mediocre in comparison with anybody, but is something subjective and may be said, it’s an opinion.

 

But choosing the phrase “A bunch of redneck pork burger eaters”  is being offensive and not necessary at all,

 

If Teaflax would had written “I don’t like Seven, their sound is too mainstream for my taste and I hate the female vocalist’s voice”, I’m sure nobody would say a word, IT’S HIS TASTE AND IT’S VALID FOR HIM.

 

But being that all the reviews say the contrary, he’s trying to prove how superior his review is to everyone else, by insulting and being rude, leaving enough space for people to believe every single reviewer except him is a fanboy of a popular style.

 

Not to delete, because he has not broken any guideline, but lets keep an eye on the guy because as soon as he gains more confidence, his reviews will start to be offensive, and the worst problem is that he’s not a common troll, he’s coherent in his incoherence because he’s intelligent.

 

Iván

I was merely saying I didn't see anything wrong with the review, if that's his opinion than that's to be accepted.

Edited by tuxon - April 20 2007 at 03:17

^ it's really well written

Sean Trane wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: You would think a reviewer that is held in such high esteem here could express his displeasure and dislike of the album without peppering words like crap and idiot,etc. all through the review...........   http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=118637   Ok, I'll PM the culprit to see if he can make alterations.     But the derogatory remarks are aimed at Seb Bach (who was a hired hand), even if the project leaders are not spared.