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    Posted: August 23 2007 at 14:19
Taken from the definition of Eclectic Prog :
 
"Eclectic Prog combines hybrids of style and diversity of theme, promoting many elements from different sources. The Eclectic category recognizes bands that evolved markedly over their career (in a progressive, evolutionary way), or have a plural style without a clear referential core."
 
I think this definition more than suits Rush's career, therefore Rush should be in this category.
 
Who else agrees ?
 
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Yes, but that would mean 1/4th of Heavy prog going away. Eclectic prog is what art rock was, and I don't know why all the art rock bands are in crossover. Rush should stay in heavy prog (unless more bands don't get added then it should just be put back into eclectic or crossover
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Rush, however progressive they have made themselves out to be, always stayed radio friendly.
 
Crossover for me!
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Points: 4088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 14:34
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Rush, however progressive they have made themselves out to be, always stayed radio friendly.
 
 
 
Hmm, I have a hard time finding out what is radio friendly about, say, The Fountain of Lamneth, Xanadu, Cygnus X-1, La Villa Strangiato, Natural Science, The Camera Eye, etc...  Confused
 
I mean, who else went from prog-metal (2112) to rap (Roll the Bones) with an almost new-wavish (Grace Under Pressure) sound in between ?
 
 
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 14:36
I get the distinct feeling that the Heavy Prog category was specifically created for a band exactly like Rush and therefore I don't have a problem with them being there.
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Points: 4088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 14:41
Well, if they remained the Zeppelin clones they were on their debut, I would agree, but come on, they evolved continually throughout their career...
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I don't mind saying that i'm a little confused by the whole thing.How does PAATOS end up in heavy prog? I can sort of see the "Eclectic " genre,and i can see how bands like KING CRIMSON,VDGG,GG and RUSH should be seperated from "Art Rock". I don't have any answers but there has to be a better way,no?
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They have such an extensive career that you can say, they've fit in the three split up categories....
Right now there in the category that has there best albums representing the 'sub-genre', so we should stick with where they are.
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Heavy Prog. No question about it.
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Points: 5863 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 15:46
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They've inspired hundreds of Prog Metal bands. I think there's nothing humilating in Heavy Prog for RUSH. Besides they are not Prog anymore for last 25 years or so
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Rush should have there own category known as RUSH PROG THE MASTERS. he he he ha ha ha
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Stadium Rock.
 
They stopped being progressive in 1980.
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I'd say they're like....a mix of Italian/Avant-Garde/Psychdelic Industrial Doom Folk Space Rap.
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Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Taken from the definition of Eclectic Prog :
 
"Eclectic Prog combines hybrids of style and diversity of theme, promoting many elements from different sources. The Eclectic category recognizes bands that evolved markedly over their career (in a progressive, evolutionary way), or have a plural style without a clear referential core."
 
I think this definition more than suits Rush's career, therefore Rush should be in this category.
 
Who else agrees ?
 
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I agree - 80's and early 90s Rush is far from Heavy Prog. They've returned a bit to their heavy roots now, but Eclectic is a much better fit.


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Points: 4088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 17:02
Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Taken from the definition of Eclectic Prog :
 
"Eclectic Prog combines hybrids of style and diversity of theme, promoting many elements from different sources. The Eclectic category recognizes bands that evolved markedly over their career (in a progressive, evolutionary way), or have a plural style without a clear referential core."
 
I think this definition more than suits Rush's career, therefore Rush should be in this category.
 
Who else agrees ?
 
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I agree - 80's and early 90s Rush is far from Heavy Prog. They've returned a bit to their heavy roots now, but Eclectic is a much better fit.
 
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Points: 6890 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 17:11
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Rush, however progressive they have made themselves out to be, always stayed radio friendly.
 
 
 
Hmm, I have a hard time finding out what is radio friendly about, say, The Fountain of Lamneth, Xanadu, Cygnus X-1, La Villa Strangiato, Natural Science, The Camera Eye, etc...  Confused
 
I mean, who else went from prog-metal (2112) to rap (Roll the Bones) with an almost new-wavish (Grace Under Pressure) sound in between ?
 
 
 
Rush- Working man
Fly by night- Fly by night
Caress of Steel- (sadly enough for Rush, they did not get a single from thi album)
2112- A passage to bangkok, 2112 overture, temples of syrinx
A farewell to kings- closer to the heart
Hemispheres- The trees (easily they're most progressive singal)
Permanent waves- Spirit of Radio, Freewill
Moving pictures- Tom Sawyer, Red barchetta, Limelight
 
from then on was a hands down mainstream radio career.Confused
 
Point is, yeah, Rush is very progressive, but never progressive enouh to turn there backs on radio.
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Points: 2492 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 17:14
Getting played on the radio doesn't make you not progressive. If that's the case, then Floyd isn't (I know how you feel on that Ian, but most of us don't share that opinion), also neither is Yes because I hear Roundabout all the time
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Points: 6890 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 17:19
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I'm saying that Rush insnt like Yes, because Yes only had ONE signal (which they didnt even mean to make), then turned they're back on radio. While Rush always sticked with radio, therefore not as "hardcore prog" as Yes.
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Points: 2492 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 17:21
It's not that they turned their backs on radio, radio turned its back on them. If they were really hardcore prog they wouldn't have made Owner of a Lonely Heart. Rush never compromised; they made music that interested them instead of switching to pop for fear of punk.
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Points: 6890 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 17:26
80's rush is silly enough for me to pop, hold your fireThumbs%20Down
 
10 minuete songs were never acceptable on radio, strangely enough Yes made an album after roundabout chock full of crasssy long compositions.
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