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Mandrakeroot 
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 Posted: August 30 2007 at 12:42 |
 Tapfret wrote:
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Ok, so I came to this thread looking for something new. I am a BMS, Le Orme, PFM, Area, DFA, YS fan and owner (I have an Osanna album too, not as into). After looking through the lists and reading some of the posts here, I narrowed my choices down to LOCANDA DELLE FATE and Maxophone. I have decided on Maxophone based on the one clip of each I was able to hear.
I have a question regarding the album. I have heard the PFM English tranlated versions of some of their stuff.  I notice that there is an English version of Maxophone. I don't intend to buy that version, I was just curious if any of you had heard it and is it as unattractive as I found English PFM? |
Englush PFM unattractive? For me the English albums of PFM are between the better things of the Italian Prog...!!!
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Wow, first time I've ever heard anybody say that. Call me an elitist (or purest or some other est), but when I buy Italiano, I want to hear Italiano. 
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Eh, eh... De gustibus... Well... depends from the point of view for what I said!!!    
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 12:47 |
Tapfret wrote:
Mandrakeroot wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
Ok, so I came to this thread looking for something new. I am a BMS, Le Orme, PFM, Area, DFA, YS fan and owner (I have an Osanna album too, not as into). After looking through the lists and reading some of the posts here, I narrowed my choices down to LOCANDA DELLE FATE and Maxophone. I have decided on Maxophone based on the one clip of each I was able to hear.
I have a question regarding the album. I have heard the PFM English tranlated versions of some of their stuff. I notice that there is an English version of Maxophone. I don't intend to buy that version, I was just curious if any of you had heard it and is it as unattractive as I found English PFM? |
Englush PFM unattractive? For me the English albums of PFM are between the better things of the Italian Prog...!!!
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Wow, first time I've ever heard anybody say that. Call me an elitist (or purest or some other est), but when I buy Italiano, I want to hear Italiano.
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I haven´t heard the English Maxophone, and i am not interested actually, i have enough with the beautiful Italian (and original of course) version, nevertheless i do enjoy the PFM English versions, there are not bad at all for me, but obviously the Italian ones are MUCH better and beautiful, i know what you mean, i also love bands singing in their native language, not only Italian, for instance i dislike when Mexican bands sing in English, the sound is good anyway, but i prefer in Spanish.
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Posted: September 08 2007 at 10:44 |
I often read this thread and its predecessor not just because of my interest in italian prog, but also because you're a group of enthusiastic and attentive reviewers and that's inspiring. =) Here's one I just wrote: PREMIATA FORNERIA MARCONI (PFM) — L'isola di niente
Review by
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(Hyphen Abuse)
The foremost Italian prog unit delivered one of this reviewer's favourite slices of symphonic rock to follow two classicly
better-received albums. "L'Isola di Niente" is a well-balanced tour-de-force and a keystone (along with Genesis' "Foxtrot")
in what I like to call "magical prog" - gentle, instrumentally textured and upbeat music with a surprisingly poetic,
whimsical bent that still manages to have a sting in its tail. The tea party scene from Alice in Wonderland appears vividly
to me while I listen to this fantastic album, and not just because of the simple lyrical cues in "Is My Face on Straight?".
Whatever this album's true message may be, this reviewer ascribes it the following moral: "Be content and comfortable in your
oddity."
Side A is outstanding and deserves a little examination. The title track is a cute, segmented mini-epic which flits between
chorale, Crimsonic hard rock and PFM trademarked keyboard-guitar interplay to produce a decidedly luscious ride - baffling
but pleasantly so, like a trip through the seasons in a much more pro-rock way than Vivaldi could have imagined. It ends
mysteriously, as if the musicians were winding up to repeat the whole piece, but fades out instead - a shame, since PFM
albums are often so short, another five minutes added to the glory of "L'Isola di Niente" would have been perfectly welcome.
"Is My Face on Straight?" is lusher still, although at times it becomes a little dubious - the english lyrics don't necessary
feel at home on this otherwise Italian language album - especially as this reviewer finds Sinfield's lyrics eternally
ham-handed and cringeworthy - and the power chorus moments can feel a little vacuous. Even so, in more subtle stretches, the
enduring romantic italian sensibilities shine through.
Side B is a little more peculiar, featuring cod-classical moments ala The Nice or Collegium Musicum - but much more tasteful
than those supposedly erudite rock bands ever got. There's also folk, traditional songwriting, Oldfield-inspired guitar lines
and even a jazz-funkified jam - although not in a "Jet Lag" way - that ascends into a glamorous, sweeping mellotron outro.
I have come close to rewarding "L'Isola di Niente" the full five stars, and if I was more symphonically inclined there
wouldn't even have been a decision involved. Bear this in mind - my tastes lie elsewhere, yet this inspired record is still
up there with my most beloved! Well... keep up the good work. =)
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Posted: September 08 2007 at 11:28 |
I have this one for you, fellow Italian progheads:
OBSCURA – Le Citta Invisibili (***1/5)
 - This is a new Italian sextet, their music sounds as a pleasant and alternating blend of several styles in which the contrast between the sparkling Grand piano and heavy guitar riffs like Black Sabbath are very remarkable! It give an extra dimension like in the varied compositions Limbo Cosmico Part I (from mellow flute to heavy guitar and a wonderful, very sensitive guitar solo, supported by huge Mellotron waves, Progheaven!), La Citta Del Sole (sparkling piano and heavy guitar riffs, an accellaration with organ and guitar and finally Fender Rhodes and again heavy riffs), Limbo Cosmico Part II (beautiful interplay between piano and flute, a moving guitar solo with lush organ and a great final part with good vocals, flute and choir-Mellotron)) and the excellent final composition Guernica (alternating with Fender Rhodes piano/flute and neo-prog with fluent synthesizer flights, organ and propulsive drums and a compelling part with wah-wah guitar, first supported by organ and then by majestic choir-Mellotron, goose bumps!). This CD delivers two short pieces: Bersebea featuring Grand piano arpeggio’s and mellow flute and Ipazia with a flute/acoustic guitar duet, wonderful.
Although they still have to mature a bit in composing, to me this debut album by new Italian band Obscura sounds as a very pleasant blend of symphonic (tasteful vintage keyboards), classical and hardrock.
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Posted: September 08 2007 at 11:54 |
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: September 09 2007 at 12:17 |
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Thanks Erik, also because I don't know Obscura!!!
Well, Finnforest... Thanks for the recommendations!!!
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Posted: September 09 2007 at 12:30 |
Shame on you Mandrakeroot, about Obscura  !
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Posted: September 09 2007 at 18:29 |
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Some of my favourite Italian bands/ artists are Picchio dal Pozzo, Pierrot Lunaire, Area, Dedalus, Stormy Six, Opus Avantra, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Franco Battiato. What do people suggest I try next (hopefully something pretty obscure -- preferably quite jazzy with xylophone or vibraphone and sax -- because I already have a fairly substantial Italian Prog collection).
I'd like to order the Yugen album, do others here recommend it?
As for L'isola di Niente, it's the closing track that really solidifies the album as great for me -- one of the very best tracks PFM did, and contrasts nicely with the rest of the album. That said, PFM doesn't have nearly the appeal it once did for me.
Edited by Logan - September 09 2007 at 18:32
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted: September 09 2007 at 18:52 |
Logan wrote:
Some of my favourite Italian bands/ artists are Picchio dal Pozzo, Pierrot Lunaire, Area, Dedalus, Stormy Six, Opus Avantra, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Franco Battiato. What do people suggest I try next (hopefully something pretty obscure -- preferably quite jazzy with xylophone or vibraphone and sax -- because I already have a fairly substantial Italian Prog collection).
I'd like to order the Yugen album, do others here recommend it?
As for L'isola di Niente, it's the closing track that really solidifies the album as great for me -- one of the very best tracks PFM did, and contrasts nicely with the rest of the album. That said, PFM doesn't have nearly the appeal it once did for me.
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How bout this one, its both obscure and jazzy:
ESAGONO - VicoloI assume you've already heard RRR, QVL, Alusa Fallax, Apoteosi.
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Logan
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Posted: September 09 2007 at 19:07 |
Finnforest wrote:
Logan wrote:
Some of my favourite Italian bands/ artists are Picchio dal Pozzo, Pierrot Lunaire, Area, Dedalus, Stormy Six, Opus Avantra, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Franco Battiato. What do people suggest I try next (hopefully something pretty obscure -- preferably quite jazzy with xylophone or vibraphone and sax -- because I already have a fairly substantial Italian Prog collection).
I'd like to order the Yugen album, do others here recommend it?
As for L'isola di Niente, it's the closing track that really solidifies the album as great for me -- one of the very best tracks PFM did, and contrasts nicely with the rest of the album. That said, PFM doesn't have nearly the appeal it once did for me.
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How bout this one, its both obscure and jazzy:
ESAGONO - Vicolo
I assume you've already heard RRR, QVL, Alusa Fallax, Apoteosi.
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^ Wow, thanks Finnforest, Esagono looks terrific. And I love Arti e
Mestieri (had intended to include that one in my list). I know well
and like all of those others you've mentioned other than Alusa Fallax
who I know of, but have only heard a few songs of (found it very good).
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted: September 09 2007 at 19:14 |
Logan wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Logan wrote:
Some of my favourite Italian bands/ artists are Picchio dal Pozzo, Pierrot Lunaire, Area, Dedalus, Stormy Six, Opus Avantra, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Franco Battiato. What do people suggest I try next (hopefully something pretty obscure -- preferably quite jazzy with xylophone or vibraphone and sax -- because I already have a fairly substantial Italian Prog collection).
I'd like to order the Yugen album, do others here recommend it?
As for L'isola di Niente, it's the closing track that really solidifies the album as great for me -- one of the very best tracks PFM did, and contrasts nicely with the rest of the album. That said, PFM doesn't have nearly the appeal it once did for me.
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How bout this one, its both obscure and jazzy:
ESAGONO - Vicolo
I assume you've already heard RRR, QVL, Alusa Fallax, Apoteosi.
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^ Wow, thanks Finnforest, Esagono looks terrific. And I love Arti e
Mestieri (had intended to include that one in my list). I know well
and like all of those others you've mentioned other than Alusa Fallax
who I know of, but have only heard a few songs of (found it very good).
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And Deus Ex Machina might float your boat too. And here's one I mention because you are an Arti fan. It's a solo project from their keyboardist, very obscure and different. 
TOWER - Tales From A Book Of Yestermorrow
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 21:23 |
Logan wrote:
Some of my favourite Italian bands/ artists are Picchio dal Pozzo, Pierrot Lunaire, Area, Dedalus, Stormy Six, Opus Avantra, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Franco Battiato. What do people suggest I try next (hopefully something pretty obscure -- preferably quite jazzy with xylophone or vibraphone and sax -- because I already have a fairly substantial Italian Prog collection).
I'd like to order the Yugen album, do others here recommend it?
As for L'isola di Niente, it's the closing track that really solidifies the album as great for me -- one of the very best tracks PFM did, and contrasts nicely with the rest of the album. That said, PFM doesn't have nearly the appeal it once did for me.
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Perhaps Dedalus is what you're looking for: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1491
If you already know them, here's some others; haven't been able to listen to all of 'em, but I've done a bit of research lately, and these are the more obscure (but hopefully obtainable) one's I've listed under Jazz-Rock...
Esagono
Osage Tribe
Combo Jazz
Cincinnato (I believe there is a stream available in the archives, check it out)
Citta' Frontale
Horus
Gialma 3
I Ping Pong (awesome band name)
Il Perigeo
Nova
Madrugada (debut album touches avant garde, after that they went folky)
If you like the avant-garde stuff...well that's a whole different animal...
Italy was chock full of Jazzy and Avant Garde bands in the glory years, it's just the more traditional prog bands we tend to hear about more often.
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 14:17 |
My new albums arrived last week. My initial feelings are:
Maxophone:  Love it. Great mix of 70's sounds. Going to need a few more listens to really rate it, its certainly 3.5 stars or greater.
The Watch - Primitive:  I don't mind when a band plays Genesis style music. But the straight forward PG clone that is signing really annoys to the point where I probably won't listen to this album too much more. I want my Italian singers singing in Italian! 2 stars if I'm in a good mood.
So, based on the above disappointment, I listened to some clips and went shopping
These should arrive next week:
Alphataurus - Alphataurus
Le Orme - Uomo Di Pezza
Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
Murple - Io Sono Murple
Corte Dei Miracoli - Corte Dei Miracoli
One that I want that I was only able to find used ( ) was Buon Vecchio Charlie. Does anyone no of a source for a new copy?
Edited by Tapfret - September 13 2007 at 15:27
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 15:35 |
Logan wrote:
Some of my favourite Italian bands/ artists are Picchio dal Pozzo, Pierrot Lunaire, Area, Dedalus, Stormy Six, Opus Avantra, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Franco Battiato. What do people suggest I try next (hopefully something pretty obscure -- preferably quite jazzy with xylophone or vibraphone and sax -- because I already have a fairly substantial Italian Prog collection).
I'd like to order the Yugen album, do others here recommend it?
As for L'isola di Niente, it's the closing track that really solidifies the album as great for me -- one of the very best tracks PFM did, and contrasts nicely with the rest of the album. That said, PFM doesn't have nearly the appeal it once did for me.
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Absolutely agree on L'isola di Niente, that last tune kicks.  I'm with you on the rest of PFM too. There is so much better out there. I heard PFM long before BMS. BMS basically made PFM a second tier band to me.
If you like Sax, Maxophone would be a good album if you don't have it already.
And a question, which Franco Battiato do you recommend? I like some of the clips I've heard, but the descriptions are puzzling.
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:04 |
Tapfret wrote:
My new albums arrived last week. My initial feelings are:
Maxophone: Love it. Great mix of 70's sounds. Going to need a few more listens to really rate it, its certainly 3.5 stars or greater.
The Watch - Primitive: I don't mind when a band plays Genesis style music. But the straight forward PG clone that is signing really annoys to the point where I probably won't listen to this album too much more. I want my Italian singers singing in Italian! 2 stars if I'm in a good mood.
So, based on the above disappointment, I listened to some clips and went shopping
These should arrive next week:
Alphataurus - Alphataurus
Le Orme - Uomo Di Pezza
Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
Murple - Io Sono Murple
Corte Dei Miracoli - Corte Dei Miracoli
One that I want that I was only able to find used ( ) was Buon Vecchio Charlie. Does anyone no of a source for a new copy? |
Excellent choices, these are all top notch RPI albums...I still haven't heard Zarathustra though, but opinions range from 3.5 to 5 stars in most places; you'll like all of these for sure if you enjoyed Maxophone.
Buon Vecchio Charlie:
US $16....the best prog service you will find bar none.
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 22:58 |
jimmy_row wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
My new albums arrived last week. My initial feelings are:
Maxophone: Love it. Great mix of 70's sounds. Going to need a few more listens to really rate it, its certainly 3.5 stars or greater.
The Watch - Primitive: I don't mind when a band plays Genesis style music. But the straight forward PG clone that is signing really annoys to the point where I probably won't listen to this album too much more. I want my Italian singers singing in Italian! 2 stars if I'm in a good mood.
So, based on the above disappointment, I listened to some clips and went shopping
These should arrive next week:
Alphataurus - Alphataurus
Le Orme - Uomo Di Pezza
Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
Murple - Io Sono Murple
Corte Dei Miracoli - Corte Dei Miracoli
One that I want that I was only able to find used ( ) was Buon Vecchio Charlie. Does anyone no of a source for a new copy? |
Excellent choices, these are all top notch RPI albums...I still haven't heard Zarathustra though, but opinions range from 3.5 to 5 stars in most places; you'll like all of these for sure if you enjoyed Maxophone.
Buon Vecchio Charlie:
US $16....the best prog service you will find bar none.
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Thanks for the link. Pretty vast inventory.
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 23:47 |
Tapfret wrote:
jimmy_row wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
My new albums arrived last week. My initial feelings are:
Maxophone: Love it. Great mix of 70's sounds. Going to need a few more listens to really rate it, its certainly 3.5 stars or greater.
The Watch - Primitive: I don't mind when a band plays Genesis style music. But the straight forward PG clone that is signing really annoys to the point where I probably won't listen to this album too much more. I want my Italian singers singing in Italian! 2 stars if I'm in a good mood.
So, based on the above disappointment, I listened to some clips and went shopping
These should arrive next week:
Alphataurus - Alphataurus
Le Orme - Uomo Di Pezza
Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
Murple - Io Sono Murple
Corte Dei Miracoli - Corte Dei Miracoli
One that I want that I was only able to find used ( ) was Buon Vecchio Charlie. Does anyone no of a source for a new copy? |
Excellent choices, these are all top notch RPI albums...I still haven't heard Zarathustra though, but opinions range from 3.5 to 5 stars in most places; you'll like all of these for sure if you enjoyed Maxophone.
Buon Vecchio Charlie:
US $16....the best prog service you will find bar none.
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Thanks for the link. Pretty vast inventory. |
Great choices, that Maxophone album is one of my Italian favorite albums ever, hope to share my review soon when i feel prepared to write it.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 08:48 |
Tapfret wrote:
jimmy_row wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
My new albums arrived last week. My initial feelings are:
Maxophone: Love it. Great mix of 70's sounds. Going to need a few more listens to really rate it, its certainly 3.5 stars or greater.
The Watch - Primitive: I don't mind when a band plays Genesis style music. But the straight forward PG clone that is signing really annoys to the point where I probably won't listen to this album too much more. I want my Italian singers singing in Italian! 2 stars if I'm in a good mood.
So, based on the above disappointment, I listened to some clips and went shopping
These should arrive next week:
Alphataurus - Alphataurus
Le Orme - Uomo Di Pezza
Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
Murple - Io Sono Murple
Corte Dei Miracoli - Corte Dei Miracoli
One that I want that I was only able to find used ( ) was Buon Vecchio Charlie. Does anyone no of a source for a new copy? |
Excellent choices, these are all top notch RPI albums...I still haven't heard Zarathustra though, but opinions range from 3.5 to 5 stars in most places; you'll like all of these for sure if you enjoyed Maxophone.
Buon Vecchio Charlie:
US $16....the best prog service you will find bar none.
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Thanks for the link. Pretty vast inventory. |
I get the feeling you'll end up purchasing more than just Buon Vecchio Charlie 
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 10:42 |
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i am fan of italian prog, my all time favorite groups are
Biglieto per l'inferno, premiata forneria marconi, banco del mutuo
soccoroso, le orme,nuova era,H20,locanda delle fate,metamorfosi,
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 10:46 |
angelmk wrote:
i am fan of italian prog, my all time favorite groups are
Biglieto per l'inferno, premiata forneria marconi, banco del mutuo
soccoroso, le orme,nuova era,H20,locanda delle fate,metamorfosi,
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remember... Opus Avantra/ OpusAvantra Ensemble is anothrgreat band. This is my review of their last album: OPUS AVANTRA
Venetia Et Anima (by Donella Del Monaco & Paolo Troncon; Opus Avantra)
(Studio Album, 2004) 
Review by
Mandrakeroot
(Andrea Salvador)
COLLABORATOR Italian Prog Specialist
My review is produced using this release: OpusAvantra Studium S.a.r.L (OPUS005)
Rating: 9/10
This is a very convincing album because Donella Del Monaco (grandchild of the best
tenor Mario Del Monaco) can express itself to the better. In fact Donella write in
the "Venetia Et Anima" that in "Biennale Musica 2003" (Venice) is codify the
"Creative Solism", i.e. the idea of a performer who is "the author of himself, the
performer's of other's writing, or the creator of a parallel score". And Donella
continue: "I finally rediscovered the approach to music with which I have always had
an affinity". I could close here the review. Instead continuous. In "Venetia Et
Anima" is contained all this definition. In fact in "Venetia Et Anima" is contained
all type of art of this definition. the poetry (in dialect) by Andrea Zanzotto
becomes a new trip in the Venetian soul, "Ierusalem celesti" (by Giacomo Da Verona,
XIIIrd Century) or the other ancient chants come updated loser the liturgic meant
becoming metaphor of the celestial life but always lived like true and difficult to
accept. But the celestial voice of Donella reaches high peaks in "Canto Del Cielo"
and in "Nell'Eterno Del Presente" where Donella joke with the tonality of her
beautiful instruments. Above all "Nell'Eterno Del Presente" is a Liturgical POP song
(but not a simple song) where Donella use this voice in all the form. And in this
case Donella emotion, showing that the voice is an instrument like violin, guitar,
keyboard, drums... "Nell'Eterno Del Presente" and Donella's voice is simply the Art
of Music (the capital letters are obviates and deduct).
See www.donelladelmonaco.com and order "Venetia Et Anima". Because the Music is Art.
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