Breaking news: PROG-RELATED IS NOT PROG

HEY ! I think I just figured a way to logically explain why PA seems (to some) to face so many requests for PR candidate bands - if a musical act is in any way prog, the number of fans will be in direct ratio to the strength in numbers that present a case for their inclusion. SO you will see a lot of Sabbath for PR threads as opposed to Farley Barley & the Baloney Bagel Bulgarian Boogie band. It's not that Sabbath are any more, or less, deserving than Farley's crew, just that there will be more people out there who believe they can make a good case for admittance for one than the other.
Other example, and I will drop any genre/sub-genre/sub-sect classification.
If PA were to debate whether Deep Purple or Night Sun were to be included at PA, do you really think that Night Sun would get more posts supporting their cause than Purple ?
Would that really be the only indication or qualification that PA's admin would consider when coming to a decision ?
I believe, nay, I know that the quantity of votes amongst the community is & has never been the one & only way to get in here. The community is invited to submit, discuss & debate; but Admin makes the final cut. And if we, as members of this grouping, cannot see that this has been the case since day one, then why would we bother being part of this site ... If I think that the site really does not target a progressive music fan's interests, what am I doing here if that's what I'm looking for ? Is it the smileys ? The easy trolling that one can indulge in by bringing up DT, PG vs PC, Rolling Stone top XX lists or any other ephemeral opinion out there in the media ?
For me, it's the wide range of groups & music that I can read about & be exposed to here at PA. I don't care for Zeuhl, indo-raga Rock, most of Jazz Fusion, RIO/Avant-Garde, Canterbury. But I have picked up albums by Magma, Univers Zero, Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, Khan & Gong. None of which I would have even known about except for this site. But for the most part, I've gotten into RPI, Symphonic, more Art Rock (and its' new divisions).
And the best part that I figure most people overlook - I was not forced to listen to anything; I was not pushed into reading any review; I felt no pressure to prefer Dream Theater vs Grobschnitt, or vice-versa.
So why am I still here - 'cause PA works as a mighty fine filter for me to find music that I might be interested in. Period. That's all I ask.

Hey, let's not forget Yukorin...

"Just rename the category. This is a progressive rock site so the tag 'prog' to 'prog related' doesn't need to remain. We all know what it is in relation to....."

Not sure who can claim first suggesting this idea at the site, however.  Great, and not so great sometimes, minds think alike.

So this thread accuse Queen, Deep Purple etc. for not having a smallest bit of prog in them?

Oh, yeah... I guess Child in Time and Prophet Song are the least proggy songs of all time.

goose wrote: Truth be told, I'd rather efforts went into detailing some of the more obscure actual progressive bands at the expense of anything "related" or "proto." After all, that's what this site as about. But, I don't run or contribute to this site so, it's not really my call and this is an opinion, not a complaint

I do believe the site is open to any suggestions. Of course, they do ask for some help from the submitter, not just a name.

debrewguy wrote: HEY ! I think I just figured a......... etc.

Who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Music is music, no one realy knows what prog means anyway. It is a stupid elitist term that people with low self esteem use to prop up their egos. It is all just pop music.

Prog-RELATED! The title in it's self basically means "like prog but not"!

Rocktopus wrote: reality wrote: Who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Music is music, no one realy knows what prog means anyway. It is a stupid elitist term that people with low self esteem use to prop up their egos. It is all just pop music. Who cares? People here care, haven't you noticed? Your'e just trying to prop your own ego by stepping on what other people care about. Prog is not a stupid elitist  term, and only idiots would tell people they listen to prog to prop up their egos. Prog's not very hip, and its not very credible. Wouldn't someone with low self esteem go for something more correct than prog?

reality wrote: Have you ever read some of the posts on this website. Egomania! "I am smarter than you because I listen to prog" "my music is better than your music because you do not understand mine" "We proggers listen to our music deeper than others listen to their music" There have even been posts that talk about people who wear Prog as a badge of honer!   Are you reading the same posts I am? For God's sake, Prog is unpopular, so nobody will boost his/her ego listening unpopular music. People say King Crimson is great, but i'm not afraid to say I can't understand it, I read similar posts about Gentle Giant and VDGG, the most complex bands, on the other hand, most people like Genesis and Yes which being 100% Prog and more complex than mainstream, are incredibly melodic and easy to get into them.    Hardly anybody cares for how complex is the band they like, simply we like the bands because it's our taste Get real people it is an elitist term and people do get a payoff from using it, that is why it matters to people so much.   So Prog is an elitist term...Then how do you want us to call it..The weird music we like?   Prog is just a term to describe a genre as Rock, Jazz or POP, as simple as that, some people like Pop, others like Prog. People get off by saying their music is complex or progressive compared to others "regular" music. Why do you think people are so obsessed with the word progressive.   Progressive is just a name of a genre, it doesn't describe the approach of the band, this is a silly misconception. It is the very fact that it is unpopular that gets them going. How many times do I have to hear Rolling Stone is stupid because they do not "get" the music. There is nothing to get! Its prog rock not rocket science. And compared to some jazz and classical prog is simple and not very demanding, nothing to brag about. But I like it anyway.   I don't care how demanding or challenging Prog is, I like it because it's my fuc*ing God given right to have a taste.   If you are so tired of this elitism and snobbism...What in the hell are you doing here?   If it's so simple and less demanding, maybe you will feel more comfortable in a Jazz or Classic Forum (BTW: Classic is only a period of time between 1750 and 1820 - 1830, so you should use another term).   Leave us stupid arrogant egomaniacs with a simpler taste than your's enjoying our second class music.   Iván   EDIT: Rolling Stones are not stupid, they are good businesmen, they want to sell a magazine, so they go for the most popular music, I don't know if they like Prog or not, they simply ignore it because placing a Britney photo will sell but placing a photo of Greg Lake or Dave Gilmour requiring a B cup bra, w3on't sell a number.   I ignore if they get the music or not (and give a damn), the only truth is that they ignore it because it's not popular enough to sell magazines and because they sold their souls and their critics to the musical industry.

Ghost Rider wrote: I wonder why it's so hard to understand... PR albums have been taken off the Top 50 on the home page. The category, together with Proto-Prog, is clearly indicated using a different colour than the other subgenres, in order to distinguish it. Ivan's excellent definition states clearly that those bands and artists are NOT prog, but influenced by it to some degree. Then, why do we always have to see people overreact every time a band is suggested for addition in PROG-RELATED, as if someone had said they were as prog as, say, Genesis, Yes or King Crimson? I am not a native speaker of English, yet I understand the concept of something being related to something else. Why do other people seem to ignore this basic concept? Is this because the definition is unclear (and I had even suggested changing it to "Influenced by Prog" to make it clearer), or because they understand it perfectly well, and only want to make trouble for the site, especially for the Admins?