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Gamemako 
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I like good vocals, no matter the language, and I prefer lyrics that are not erroneous. Grammatical errors are annoying.
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micky
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Posted: December 31 2007 at 16:37 |
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Atkingani
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Posted: December 31 2007 at 16:32 |
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Posted: December 31 2007 at 16:19 |
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Atkingani
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Posted: December 31 2007 at 16:12 |
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micky
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Posted: December 31 2007 at 15:57 |
 NotAProghead wrote:
micky wrote:
Prog is not about the lyrics... it is about the music. |
I remember Bernie Shaw (Uriah Heep) said: "You will never make a good song if lyrics are garbage".
I think good balance between music and lyrics is necessary. |
probably very true... but probably like some here... if I want to hear a good song... I'll go other places then prog... with few exceptions like Floyd, and the Moodies... I listen to prog for great music.. not great songs. The reason why foreign lyrics don't faze me in the least. It is not for everyone obviously.. but should.. and probably does resonate more with prog fans than trying to sell some housewife in the south, Country music sung in Portuguese. 
Edited by micky - December 31 2007 at 15:58
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cookieacquired
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Posted: December 31 2007 at 10:50 |
Foreign vocals ruining my prog experience? no way!
First off, Magma and essentially any Japanese music.
As for foreign, I must say, British or English type vocals usually enhance my musical experience (I dunno, I guess you guys just invented rock, the vocals seem to fit).
Third off, Mike Patton's vocals occasionally border on human, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying Litany IV!
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: December 28 2007 at 12:49 |
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Absolutely don't mind, so long as I like the sound. But, if I can understand the lyrics, I prefer them being semi-intelligent.
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Posted: December 27 2007 at 18:07 |
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they do not ruin the songs unless they are a crappy singer. If they suck at singing then the songs will suck.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: December 27 2007 at 18:04 |
micky wrote:
Prog is not about the lyrics... it is about the music. |
I remember Bernie Shaw (Uriah Heep) said: "You will never make a good song if lyrics are garbage".
I think good balance between music and lyrics is necessary.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Garion81
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Posted: December 27 2007 at 17:01 |
^Jon Anderson stands up and applauds. 
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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micky
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Posted: December 27 2007 at 16:47 |
again.... listening to Systematic Chaos earlier today.. which one half of the AR dynamic duo got for Xmas this year hahahhah... I am reminded of a point brought up earlier in the thread. Understanding the lyrics is NOT always a good thing.... prog bands are the haven of good musicians... great songwriters and lyricists generally make for the big bucks and bored housewives everywhere. Prog is not about the lyrics... it is about the music. Sometimes not understanding them... is a good thing.
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eitan daniel
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Posted: December 27 2007 at 16:39 |
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if he music sounds good and authentic than it can only add mystic for me, even if i don't understand the language, isn't it partly why we listen to prog- to find the unexplaned?
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: December 23 2007 at 21:46 |
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Foreign vocalists don't bother me at all. Music is a global thing and I think it would be foolish to shun a band simply because of a language barrier. It's also extra fun to translate the lyrics or try to figure out what he or she is saying.
In fact, the foreign music I have is making me want to learn a ton of foreign languages so I can 1) be able to pronounce some of the harder-on-the-tongue things, and 2) have much better translations than what Google can provide.
Edited by Avantgardehead - December 25 2007 at 20:57
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One-Eyed Joker
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Posted: December 23 2007 at 13:58 |
profanatio wrote:
Hey guys, I've been reading a lot of reviews on this site and a lot of CD's are getting 4 and 5 stars that have female vocalists, german vocals, italian vocals, Spanish vocals etc...
I sincerely wish I could be that accepting and get beyond it but I really seem to need my Prog sung in english. No matter how good the music is, as soon as the non english vocals come in it drops the whole vibe for me. Perhaps I haven't heard the right stuff? How do you guys feel about it? Do you actually seek out foreign vocals or do you just endure it in order to have good music? |
I'm sorry you feel this way. I speak English and a little German but foreign vocalists never ruin my music. Have you ever listened to Harmonium? "Si On Avait Besoin d'une Cinquième Saison" is one of my favorite prog albums ever and i dont understand a word they say! I love Italian prog and i dont understand any of it. You need to be more open minded otherwise you will miss out on some of the best prog there is
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alanerc
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Posted: December 22 2007 at 00:57 |
profanatio wrote:
Hey guys, I've been reading a lot of reviews on this site and a lot of CD's are getting 4 and 5 stars that have female vocalists, german vocals, italian vocals, Spanish vocals etc...
I sincerely wish I could be that accepting and get beyond it but I really seem to need my Prog sung in english. No matter how good the music is, as soon as the non english vocals come in it drops the whole vibe for me. Perhaps I haven't heard the right stuff? How do you guys feel about it? Do you actually seek out foreign vocals or do you just endure it in order to have good music? |
I only excpect a giid vocalist, no matter where he/she is
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Posted: December 21 2007 at 22:48 |
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Do "foreign" vocals ruin my experience?
No. In most cases, they make my experience.
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darksideof
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Posted: December 21 2007 at 12:47 |
gr8sho wrote:
Angelo wrote:
Second, Premiata Forneria Marconi should never have re-released their early works in English on Photos of Ghosts - it simply didn't work out.
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I've thought about this question for about 34 years now, ever since I heard Live in USA for the first time. Since the original question is subjective in nature, the answers will be that way too, but wanted to offer my opinion. My basis and background here is that I am a first generation american, so english is my native language. I've seen the challenge that many people have switching language especially after the age of say 14 yrs old where it almost impossible to capture the essence of ennunciation of a particular language. I also had the opportunity in my youth to experience this transition back to the italian language having lived there between the ages of 12 and 15, so I know how hard this can be. As I've grown older and appreciate more and more the genre of progressive rock, my opinions on this topic have changed substantially.
What premiata and banco did with their english experiment to me was every bit worthwhile and I for one am glad Greg Lake took the time to invest in this. Photos of Ghosts and The World Became the World are two of my favorite albums ever alongside Chocolate Kings and Jet Lag. In later years PFM continues to play the Sinfield versions of their songs and you can hear this on their 2002 and 2005 live albums. It is a legacy that is strong, powerful and genuine. If listening to these tracks makes you feel like your prog experience is ruined, then turn it off, but I suspect if you take the time to listen carefully with an open mind, you will truly enjoy these albums. In some cases, the english versions bring more to the table than their original counterparts. The poster child of this for me is The World Became The World which took a legendary song and one of the staples of the original prog rock era (Impressioni Di Settembre) and added an even more epic quality to it.
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gr8sho
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Posted: December 21 2007 at 11:50 |
Angelo wrote:
Second, Premiata Forneria Marconi should never have re-released their early works in English on Photos of Ghosts - it simply didn't work out.
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I've thought about this question for about 34 years now, ever since I heard Live in USA for the first time. Since the original question is subjective in nature, the answers will be that way too, but wanted to offer my opinion. My basis and background here is that I am a first generation american, so english is my native language. I've seen the challenge that many people have switching language especially after the age of say 14 yrs old where it almost impossible to capture the essence of ennunciation of a particular language. I also had the opportunity in my youth to experience this transition back to the italian language having lived there between the ages of 12 and 15, so I know how hard this can be. As I've grown older and appreciate more and more the genre of progressive rock, my opinions on this topic have changed substantially.
What premiata and banco did with their english experiment to me was every bit worthwhile and I for one am glad Greg Lake took the time to invest in this. Photos of Ghosts and The World Became the World are two of my favorite albums ever alongside Chocolate Kings and Jet Lag. In later years PFM continues to play the Sinfield versions of their songs and you can hear this on their 2002 and 2005 live albums. It is a legacy that is strong, powerful and genuine. If listening to these tracks makes you feel like your prog experience is ruined, then turn it off, but I suspect if you take the time to listen carefully with an open mind, you will truly enjoy these albums. In some cases, the english versions bring more to the table than their original counterparts. The poster child of this for me is The World Became The World which took a legendary song and one of the staples of the original prog rock era (Impressioni Di Settembre) and added an even more epic quality to it.
Cheers and Happy Holidays.
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Atkingani
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Posted: December 20 2007 at 09:05 |
Josepet wrote:
I am starting to feel out of place here for not being a native English speaker. |
I can assure you that you'll never be out of place here for not being a native English speaker. Founders & site owners aren't native English speakers; two former and one current Administrators aren't native English speakers; more than 50% of PA members aren't native English speakers.
No need to start any feeling, except the feeling of being amid friends, in a great place and appreciating a wonderful music genre. Just enjoy! 
Edited by Atkingani - December 20 2007 at 09:06
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