most overrated alleged prog rock band

Hmm.. I Feel a Flame War is comming up...  Lol This really looks stupid. People all throw dead cats at all the bands they just don't like. And just becouse the Music doesn't fit them, they think its Sh!t and say its overrated... WELL IT CANT BE IF ALLTHE OTHER PROG FANS THINK ITS GREAT!!!

Gaston wrote: Any Fusion.

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flowerchild wrote: lucas wrote: kirklott wrote: Most overrated? Any band from Sweden. I've never heard a single band from Sweden I like - they're all so dark and gloomy and with cellos and that nonsense. I second this statement. I too never understood the fuss around bands like Anglagard, Paatos or Sinkadus. Their music is soulless and cold, and most of the time these bands sound alike. There are a few exceptions like Pain of Salvation, that can bring as well a dark mood to their music as a bright one, and play it with a high energy or ACT, which I love because of their connection to bands like Saga and Queen.   Listen to Kaipa, kids

or Even The Flower Kings and now Pain of Salvation

Snow Dog wrote: King of Loss wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Have you guys never heard of humour? I know, but I was just overreacting Just for da' fun. Oh...well then.....

Back to the topic, lets go.

Snow Dog wrote: Have you guys never heard of humour?

I know, but I was just overreacting Just for da' fun.

I think Pink Floyd is sooooo overrated. Along with later Rush, I dislike (later)Rush highly.

richardh wrote: Yes - Jon Anderson was too short and Rick Wakeman too blonde. Genesis - Public schoolboys,all their music was just to impress girls and they failed miserably. ELP - Lots of farting sounds interspersed with ridiculous frenzied drumming.How anyone can like them is beyond me. King Crimson - Robert Fripp ,what an arsehole Jethro Tull - Ian Anderson is too bald Rush - Just a wimpy version of Dream Theater   In fact all PROG ROCK is overrated.I'm off to the Britney Spears site.Bye.

arcer wrote: tangerine62 wrote: Who is the most overatted prog  rock band (allegedly), for me it has to be Kansas, they are surely AOR nonsense, as are most big American groups. Money not musical ability seems to be the norm in the USA. Who next REO Speedwagon? I'm really surprised you think Kansas are not prog. I'm not sure what you've heard by the band and I guess it's all down to personal taste but my impression is that you might be one of those people whose only exposure to the band has been "Dust in the Wind" and "Carry on Wayward Son" - both of which are great songs, but definitely of an AOR bent. What about the instrumental fireworks on something like 'Song for America' or the complex interplay of the melody instruments on 'Miracles out of Nowhere'? Kansas themselves - ardent fans of KC and Soft Machine etc - always said that they felt themselves to be not in the same technically adept class as their British counterparts and that they came from a bar band background - which surely accounts for some of their more blues-based songs (usually composed by Steve Walsh) and they were definitely filtering in a lot of west coast rock harmonising (CSNY et al) and US rock (I would imagine Love, etc) and Brit heavy Blues (particulalry Deep Purple in some of the guitar tones and Blackmore-esque phrasing) but in their more adventurous material they definitely hit the prog nail on the head. Have a listen to the mid-section of Song for America (from the piano solo on) it's a superbly clever piece of song construction. Listen to Phil Eharts exemplary prog drumming. Not as accomplished perhaps as bruford et al but it's incredibly varied and always on message. Likewise the keyboard playing on all early Kansas albums is awesome. I think the problem people have with Kansas is that mixed in with their prog ambition was a keen pop sensibility. Livgren and Walsh were driven to hear good melodies, a functionally good tune always appeared to take precedence over pure form and I for one applaud them for that. There is far too much prog music that relies solely on manual dexterity at the expense of coherent song structure. Frankly, endless keyboard or fretboard wigouts leave me cold unless there is some melodic progress being made. A solo is just a solo - if it doesn't have a destination and a purpose then why bother with the exploration in the first place. I suppose the argument could be made that it's better to travel than to arrive but, personally, I hate being in transit. A keen sense of melody, harmony and structure is not an anti-prog stick with which to beat a band, it should be celebrated, especially if the musicians can give me a tune i can hum, right down to every note of a 64-bar Moog solo. Kansas - prog they most definitely are and far from being overrated are, in fact, a cruelly under-appreciated band for the very reasons given above. Unlike the sterile style over content offerings of a lot of the more celebrated prog bands, Kansas could not only play, they could write too.

Well said, and well reasoned argument Arcer! Prog or not, I have a lot of time for Kansas myself.

tangerine62 wrote: Who is the most overatted prog  rock band (allegedly), for me it has to be Kansas, they are surely AOR nonsense, as are most big American groups. Money not musical ability seems to be the norm in the USA. Who next REO Speedwagon?

I'm really surprised you think Kansas are not prog.
I'm not sure what you've heard by the band and I
guess it's all down to personal taste but my
impression is that you might be one of those people
whose only exposure to the band has been "Dust in
the Wind" and "Carry on Wayward Son" - both of
which are great songs, but definitely of an AOR bent.

What about the instrumental fireworks on something
like 'Song for America' or the complex interplay of the
melody instruments on 'Miracles out of Nowhere'?

Kansas themselves - ardent fans of KC and Soft
Machine etc - always said that they felt themselves to
be not in the same technically adept class as their
British counterparts and that they came from a bar
band background - which surely accounts for some
of their more blues-based songs (usually composed
by Steve Walsh) and they were definitely filtering in a
lot of west coast rock harmonising (CSNY et al) and
US rock (I would imagine Love, etc) and Brit heavy
Blues (particulalry Deep Purple in some of the guitar
tones and Blackmore-esque phrasing) but in their
more adventurous material they definitely hit the prog
nail on the head.
Have a listen to the mid-section of Song for America
(from the piano solo on) it's a superbly clever piece
of song construction. Listen to Phil Eharts exemplary
prog drumming. Not as accomplished perhaps as
bruford et al but it's incredibly varied and always on
message. Likewise the keyboard playing on all early
Kansas albums is awesome.
I think the problem people have with Kansas is that
mixed in with their prog ambition was a keen pop
sensibility. Livgren and Walsh were driven to hear
good melodies, a functionally good tune always
appeared to take precedence over pure form and I
for one applaud them for that.
There is far too much prog music that relies solely
on manual dexterity at the expense of coherent song
structure.
Frankly, endless keyboard or fretboard wigouts leave
me cold unless there is some melodic progress
being made. A solo is just a solo - if it doesn't have a
destination and a purpose then why bother with the
exploration in the first place.
I suppose the argument could be made that it's
better to travel than to arrive but, personally, I hate
being in transit.
A keen sense of melody, harmony and structure is
not an anti-prog stick with which to beat a band, it
should be celebrated, especially if the musicians
can give me a tune i can hum, right down to every
note of a 64-bar Moog solo.
Kansas - prog they most definitely are and far from
being overrated are, in fact, a cruelly
under-appreciated band for the very reasons given
above. Unlike the sterile style over content offerings
of a lot of the more celebrated prog bands, Kansas
could not only play, they could write too.

Progger wrote: ROBERT FRIPP

Absolutely!