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TR!P 
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 Posted: April 15 2008 at 14:31 |
Anglagard - Epilog (just do not get it)
pink floyd - the wall (huge floyd fan, was expecting something huge, but after time its not as bad, but still very dissapointing)
pain of salvation - scar sick (dear jesus, what the f**k like, from 'BE' to this? i dont get it....)
devin townsend - devlab (i didnt really know WHAT i was in store for, but, alike all devins albums i was expecting good things, v.dissapointing)
genesis - the lamb lies down on broad way (however, i do looove 'the lamb lies down on broadway' song + 'counting down time' , 'carpet crawlers', 'chamber of 32 doors'....so, disk 2 is just a complete waste on me...as is the rest of disk 1)
theres prob more, but those off top of head
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Posted: April 15 2008 at 15:30 |
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Posted: April 15 2008 at 15:32 |
 TR!P wrote:
Anglagard - Epilog (just do not get it)
pink floyd - the wall (huge floyd fan, was expecting something huge, but after time its not as bad, but still very dissapointing)
pain of salvation - scar sick (dear jesus, what the f**k like, from 'BE' to this? i dont get it....)
devin townsend - devlab (i didnt really know WHAT i was in store for, but, alike all devins albums i was expecting good things, v.dissapointing)
genesis - the lamb lies down on broad way (however, i do looove 'the lamb lies down on broadway' song + 'counting down time' , 'carpet crawlers', 'chamber of 32 doors'....so, disk 2 is just a complete waste on me...as is the rest of disk 1)
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wow. Three of your top 5 most disappointing albums are in my top 20 all time greatest albums. You must have some incredibly high standards and one of the most amazing record collections on the face of the earth if those 3 are "disappointments".
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Posted: April 15 2008 at 15:43 |
Plankowner wrote:
Only been here a few days, but I really must admit I was really enjoying this thread till once again I encountered the poor kid cacho being beat up by sqounkman... can't we separate these two?
Only mentioning it cause it keeps showing up wherever I read and was even part of my welcome newbies thread. Guess I should avoid the active topic threads.
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LMAO. Beaten up? How is that? Because I suggest people slow down and listen?
btw, I never even mentioned anyone's name, much less 'cacho'.
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Posted: April 15 2008 at 15:44 |
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In my experience, both in my own household, and in observing the listening habits of younger people, because of the ease of technology, which makes a whole lot of music instantly accessible in far greater quantities than it was back in the 70s when the first wave of prog was being created, I have observed a tendency for people to accumulate a lot of music, but grow restless and inpatient much quicker than those of us who grew up with vinyl and had to scour and search for music much harder. I have observed a tendency to want to move on to the next thing quickly, and as a result, imo, sometimes music that is a little more demanding and requiring of patience and time is quickly ingested, processed and then discarded, like a commodity instead of a piece of art.
There is a tendency to collect, to see how many numbers we can accumulate, and lost in that is the voyage of discovery, the process of getting to know and understand what you are listening to. Some of you have pretty much admitted as much in your posts. So again, labeling things you are just discovering as a 'disappointment' so quickly, when you haven't spent much time to live with it for awhile, and without some more background references upon which to draw, doesn't really mean a whole lot, that's my point.
Its not a race to accumulate. Slow down, and listen, and take the time to know and understand what you are hearing. Its really that simple. Believe it or not, sometimes age brings the benefit of experience and history. You might find out that you may even learn a thing or two along the way. Believe it or not, you may not know everything by the age of 20. |
Excellent post!  I agree 100% |
Thanks. Its gratifying to know there are some people out there who get it.
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Posted: April 15 2008 at 15:52 |
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wow. Three of your top 5 most disappointing albums are in my top 20 all time greatest albums. You must have some incredibly high standards and one of the most amazing record collections on the face of the earth if those 3 are "disappointments". |
well, ill try explain thos choices more:
The Lamb... well, what happend to me here was that i first got Sellings england by the pound, then foxtrot, then nursery cryme, so i thought i had a good idea of what gabriel era' genesis' should sound like, and when i got the lamb... i was pumped up for yet another great album in the vein of those 3 i already had, but what i found was a differnt genesis to the one i had fallen in love with (to my ears anyway)
which brings me to my next one, The wall, same thing happend with the wall, i had all the greats, dark side, WYWH, meddle, animals, then i came to this and again alike genesis, it was a different flyod to what i was expecting
i guess the biggest factor in both those albums were that they were lyric/singing orriented and based, with genesis's The lamb... it was an album for peter gabriel to get the spotlight and sing more etc. hence the songs taking a different form (in some cases) and being lyric orriented, same with the Wall, this was to be Waters masterpiece so i guess he nearly wrote it with himself in mind, alot of singing/lyric orriented short songs, and not much of floyds older ambient stuff
out of both of them, id defo prefer the wall by far, however those 4 songs i listed in the other post off the first CD to The lamb... are just greatness
angerland? i just....just... no. really really dont get it, i dont like the feel to it, the whole organ vibe, the all instumental (which i dont mind except for this case) it just never captivated me or gave me any high point thrills
what are your top 5?...(hoping you havent posted them already)
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Posted: April 15 2008 at 16:05 |
TR!P wrote:
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wow. Three of your top 5 most disappointing albums are in my top 20 all time greatest albums. You must have some incredibly high standards and one of the most amazing record collections on the face of the earth if those 3 are "disappointments". |
well, ill try explain thos choices more:
The Lamb... well, what happend to me here was that i first got Sellings england by the pound, then foxtrot, then nursery cryme, so i thought i had a good idea of what gabriel era' genesis' should sound like, and when i got the lamb... i was pumped up for yet another great album in the vein of those 3 i already had, but what i found was a differnt genesis to the one i had fallen in love with (to my ears anyway)
which brings me to my next one, The wall, same thing happend with the wall, i had all the greats, dark side, WYWH, meddle, animals, then i came to this and again alike genesis, it was a different flyod to what i was expecting
i guess the biggest factor in both those albums were that they were lyric/singing orriented and based, with genesis's The lamb... it was an album for peter gabriel to get the spotlight and sing more etc. hence the songs taking a different form (in some cases) and being lyric orriented, same with the Wall, this was to be Waters masterpiece so i guess he nearly wrote it with himself in mind, alot of singing/lyric orriented short songs, and not much of floyds older ambient stuff
out of both of them, id defo prefer the wall by far, however those 4 songs i listed in the other post off the first CD to The lamb... are just greatness
angerland? i just....just... no. really really dont get it, i dont like the feel to it, the whole organ vibe, the all instumental (which i dont mind except for this case) it just never captivated me or gave me any high point thrills
what are your top 5?...(hoping you havent posted them already) |
Let me throw a few observations out. Both the Wall and the Lamb are concept albums, which focus on a storyline, and are thus not just a collection of songs. So maybe you just don't like concept albums.
You said the Lamb is more lyric and singing based. Actually, if you listen to the complete Lamb, its much more instrumental based. Overall, its got more instrumental music than any of the previous albums. So I would disagree with you 100% there.
Have you ever sat down and listened to the complete Lamb on headphones, and took it in as a whole, letting yourself get lost in the surrealistic journey? You can't listen to that album in chunks----it should be listened to as a whole.
I don't like The Wall as much as Animals, Dark Side and WYWH, but I certainly wouldn't label it a disappointment just because I like the others better. The down side is that Waters took virtually complete control of the group. The up side is you have some great songs like Comfortably Numb, Brick in the Wall, Mother, Run Like Hell, Hey You etc.
Same thing for the Lamb---I like Selling England and Trick and Foxtrot better, but the Lamb is a flawed masterpiece. Not perfect, but an incredible album. If you ever got a chance to see the original Lamb, or even the Musical Box performing the Lamb live, you would really appreciate how amazing that album truly is. Gabriel ran out of ideas at the end, so there is some filler, but for a double album, its pretty darn good.
The similarity between the two albums is that in both, one guy took the burden on himself to write most if not all the lyrics, and took too much control of the group, thus creating a situation where both had to leave.
Anglagard requires patience and is admittedly not for everyone, but their two albums are considered classics, especially if you like the sound of the mellotron. Some people just don't like that cold foreboding Scandanavian Landscape sound. I got to see them live at Neafest in 2003? and I will never forget it----3 mellotrons!!!
All three albums we are discussing require patience and time spent taking them in as whole works of art. They are certainly not for the impatient.
Edited by Squonkman - April 15 2008 at 16:30
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Personally, I think The Wall is, lyrically, conceptually and musically, mostly not up to Floyd standards. Might give it three stars if I'm in a good mood. Wasn't so much of a disappointment, since I didn't expect loads from it. Maybe the most interesting thing is that Another Brick pt. 2 is the only Floyd song I'd heard frequently enough to recognise it before discovering prog. Suffice to say, I hated the children's chorus on that one, so I only went for Dark Side and Meddle quite a bit after the Genesis and Yes mainstays.
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Posted: April 15 2008 at 17:04 |
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its got more instrumental music than any of the previous albums. So I would disagree with you 100% there. |
thats just speaking in the technical term, of its got more instumental music than any of the previous albums, its a DOUBLE album cd, its going to have more of everything, you could say theres more guitar, more bass, more anything...
and yea i agree its a thing of patience with these sorts of albums (wall,lamb) but in case that comment was some what directed at me, i gotta say ive done my time listening to both straight through, i think wall has a nicer flow to it, whereas lamb is quite different, i mean everytime lillywhite lillith comes on it takes me by surprize everytime, its like its just stepped into a whole new album
but anyway, ill try to listen through them again sometime, then maybe ill come back and change my mind
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Posted: April 15 2008 at 17:16 |
TR!P wrote:
[QUOTE=Squonkman] , whereas lamb is quite different, i mean everytime lillywhite lillith comes on it takes me by surprize everytime, its like its just stepped into a whole new album
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The funny thing is Lilywhite Lilith was actually a very old song Genesis had lying around from the late 60s called The Light (I think) which they never put on an album, and reworked to fit in on the Lamb. So its ironic that you apparantly like early Genesis but that one "takes you by surprise". Try the headphone route though, with no distractions. You might reassess it.
You had mentioned you dislike the whole second side. I think The Lamia is sublime, and the Colony of Slippermen and The Waiting Room are very interesting. Silent Sorrow in Empty Boats---wow. If you get a chance, find a good bootleg recording of the complete Lamb live, where Genesis used the Waiting Room as a longer jam session and really used to change that one up in concert and free form a little bit. They sometimes would lengthen the "Evil Jam" out to 10+ minutes.
Edited by Squonkman - April 15 2008 at 17:20
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Posted: April 18 2008 at 20:36 |
I dunno about all this. From about the age of 15 or so, I noticed that I didn't seem to take to what most people loved, and they didn't seem to get the stuff I squawked about like a chicken laying an asteroid.
Different strokes for different folks.
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Posted: April 19 2008 at 02:39 |
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Personally, I think The Wall is, lyrically, conceptually and musically, mostly not up to Floyd standards. |
I might grant you musically, but as for concept it's brilliant and as for lyrics it's above average (although Floyd lost one of the greatest lyricists of our times in Syd....)
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Posted: April 19 2008 at 02:41 |
Squonkman wrote:
TR!P wrote:
[QUOTE=Squonkman] , whereas lamb is quite different, i mean everytime lillywhite lillith comes on it takes me by surprize everytime, its like its just stepped into a whole new album
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The funny thing is Lilywhite Lilith was actually a very old song Genesis had lying around from the late 60s called The Light (I think) which they never put on an album, and reworked to fit in on the Lamb. So its ironic that you apparantly like early Genesis but that one "takes you by surprise". Try the headphone route though, with no distractions. You might reassess it.
You had mentioned you dislike the whole second side. I think The Lamia is sublime, and the Colony of Slippermen and The Waiting Room are very interesting. Silent Sorrow in Empty Boats---wow. If you get a chance, find a good bootleg recording of the complete Lamb live, where Genesis used the Waiting Room as a longer jam session and really used to change that one up in concert and free form a little bit. They sometimes would lengthen the "Evil Jam" out to 10+ minutes.
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I prefer the second half of Lamb myself. Which half you prefer would probably make a good poll question, if anybody is motivated enough to do it.
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Posted: April 19 2008 at 09:23 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
TGM: Orb wrote:
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Personally, I think The Wall is, lyrically, conceptually and musically, mostly not up to Floyd standards. |
I might grant you musically, but as for concept it's brilliant and as for lyrics it's above average (although Floyd lost one of the greatest lyricists of our times in Syd....) |
The concept, in my opinion, is very self-indulgent and self-referential. It doesn't leave that much to the listener's imagination or intelligence, like some other concepts (e.g. The Lamb) do, and the individual pieces are only tied together by the end result, with one or two very limited and little-explored themes. Finally, the decision to have several characters within a non-physical concept referencing or discussing it (as in Mother) annoys me, for whatever reason. I don't like that. Really, I just don't see what's so brilliant about the whole: Boy, suffers X events, becomes rock musician, builds mental block between himself and others, thinks he's Hitler, changes his mind concept. Lyrically, it has some stunning moments, but compared to its three predecessors (which really is the fairest comparison, given how much the band has morphed) is a wart, and it has some things that just don't need to be there. If anyone can justify the presence of Bring The Boys Back Home or Vera where they are, I will be surprised. Neither of them advance the plot or add something new, since the WWII theme has already been well-established. Filler, lyrically and conceptually. I dislike bits of Mother, particularly.
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 14:27 |
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At least you don't have to be told that The Wall is a concept album. The Lamb is too vague for my meagre intellect to follow the story.
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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Posted: April 22 2008 at 13:54 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
TGM: Orb wrote:
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Personally, I think The Wall is, lyrically, conceptually and musically, mostly not up to Floyd standards. |
I might grant you musically, but as for concept it's brilliant and as for lyrics it's above average (although Floyd lost one of the greatest lyricists of our times in Syd....) |
now see, i just dont get it when peeps go on and on about Syd,
i dont really know enough about him or his musical time with floyd (altho i do have Piper and Sauser)((although i never gave piper much time, and i only recently got saucer which i think si much better)) so i dont really wanna stick my foot in a door im not too sure how to back up
but, from what iver heard myself, syd's stuff seems childish and simplistic, i mean im just thinking of "bike" now and how anyone could see that as an accomplishment of song writting i really dont know...
i have that Syd Barret Piper at the gates DVD doncumentary sitting downstairs, and ill watch it soon enough so maybe it'll open my eyes, but i think Floyd are were way better with out him, i doubt they'd have progressed as far as they did or made the classics, in fact they never woulda' even wrote Shine OYCD, prob loads others
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Posted: April 25 2008 at 11:01 |
hmmm... excuse the double post...
however
i got A saucerful.... and im actualy relaly enjoying it, close to loving
See- Saw is such a great great song,
and of course set the controlls...saucerful.. and great too
corporal clegg is just good fun, id love to know the meaning behind it(?) but those Kazoos or whatever they use for the chourus part are a bit dodge'e i think, it works but...id prefer proper instrument
anyway, yea, so i am really liking Saucerful, BUT, how much thanks would i have to give to Syd on this album? what was his job/what did he do?
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Posted: June 18 2008 at 18:15 |
for me the worst albums of prog are these:
1. ELP Love Beach ugghhhhh.
2. King Crimson Beat i can even tolerate this...
3. Jethro Tull "A". what happen to Ian???
4. Pink Floyd The division Bell Pretend to Landing in old Glories.
5. Edhels a Oriental Christmas, or something like that, a really plain an ugly neo prog w**ko
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