most overrated alleged prog rock band

FishyMonkey wrote: Somehow my other psot got deletd, so I'll say it again. Genesis. The ysound like a cheap YES clone with some other stuff thrown in. I only like Supper's Ready and The Cinema Show, the rest just bore me. Firth of Fifth sounds like a cheap Awaken clone, Dancing With the Moonlit Knight...bleh, don't like it. And trust me I've tried to get into them.

"Firth of Fifth sounds like a cheap Awaken clone"??? What have you smoked?? Your socks???

arrgghhh!!

Garion81 wrote: Wrath_of_Ninian wrote: [QUOTE=arcer] [QUOTE=Wrath_of_Ninian] [Finally, I have not heard a huge amount of Kansas, but I have heard Leftoverture and (on first and only listening), found it to be a really banal record, which at times made me think of the Eagles, the Sweet, and Lynyrd Skynyrd trying to jam a Steely Dan song.  A kind prog archiver even posted an Mpeg up after I berated them in a previous thread, and that just made it worse.  They even LOOKED awful!  But I know what you mean, and I too have sanguine, and yet inexplicable ties to records that would be laughed off this site.  However, I shall listen to Leftoverture again to see if I actually missed anything.  I try not to rashly dismiss things that people seem to genuinely care about.  Unless its neo-prog...    I sent you that link WON. Lets talk about it for a minute. Do you think a lean mean hit making machine looks like they did? Do you really believe that is what they were trying to accomplish? That piece was recorded at the end of year straight touring as second and third slots on the tickets. They had no money.  That song is a beautiful example of symph prog. It is called the Pinnacle and it resides on their third album Masque. The sound quality is poor because it was recorded for a TV show in 1975  It starts out with a nice play of Violin and piano on one side of the stage and Organ and Guitar on the other. There are two great organ solos, violin and guitar solos in the song, not to mention a great two part harmony with a completely different verse and bridge section. I can see you say you don't like it but those guys can play and it is most definitely prog. Just my opinion and you and I agree on PFM

Hi Garion,

Yes as I posted above, I'm looking into Kansas again, but I just dont really like their style, its just a bit too obvious for me, and a little too polished.  They dont take enough risks for me, which is what I meant by 'banal'.  Perhaps Leftoverture is not the best album to base my opinion on, but unfortunately its all I have access to at the moment.  If you can recommend some others, I'd be happy to try them out.

 

MikeEnRegalia wrote: maidenrulez wrote: The most overrated is the flower kings wich is barely prog That's a good one maidenrulez wrote:   Then you have pain of salvation wich is an awfull boyband metal imitation. I see by your avatar that you are a Dream Theater fan. You should check what Mike Portnoy says about Pain Of Salvation and Daniel Gildenlow in particular. Something about him being a genius, if I remember correctly. maidenrulez wrote: And spocks beard that wishes that they could make hit singles. They did. As did Dream Theater, if I'm not mistaken.

Comparing these horrible bands to dream theater is such a bad comparisment as any. These prog bands fails to bring anything new to the genre and why POS TFK and SB are called geniuses i can not get my self to understand. And what mike portnoy says i dont care for he is such a uninspiring and boring drummer.

 

The most overrated is the flower kings wich is barely prog

Then you have pain of salvation wich is an awfull boyband metal imitation.

And spocks beard that wishes that they could make hit singles.

 

Wrath_of_Ninian wrote: [QUOTE=arcer] [QUOTE=Wrath_of_Ninian] [Finally, I have not heard a huge amount of Kansas, but I have heard Leftoverture and (on first and only listening), found it to be a really banal record, which at times made me think of the Eagles, the Sweet, and Lynyrd Skynyrd trying to jam a Steely Dan song.  A kind prog archiver even posted an Mpeg up after I berated them in a previous thread, and that just made it worse.  They even LOOKED awful!  But I know what you mean, and I too have sanguine, and yet inexplicable ties to records that would be laughed off this site.  However, I shall listen to Leftoverture again to see if I actually missed anything.  I try not to rashly dismiss things that people seem to genuinely care about.  Unless its neo-prog...

 

I sent you that link WON. Lets talk about it for a minute. Do you think a lean mean hit making machine looks like they did? Do you really believe that is what they were trying to accomplish? That piece was recorded at the end of year straight touring as second and third slots on the tickets. They had no money.  That song is a beautiful example of symph prog. It is called the Pinnacle and it resides on their third album Masque. The sound quality is poor because it was recorded for a TV show in 1975

 It starts out with a nice play of Violin and piano on one side of the stage and Organ and Guitar on the other. There are two great organ solos, violin and guitar solos in the song, not to mention a great two part harmony with a completely different verse and bridge section. I can see you say you don't like it but those guys can play and it is most definitely prog.

Just my opinion and you and I agree on PFM

 

 

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FishyMonkey wrote: Firth of Fifth sounds like a cheap Awaken clone

Maybe that should be the other way around. I mean, Firth of Fifth was released before Awaken.

Somehow my other psot got deletd, so I'll say it again. Genesis. The ysound like a cheap YES clone with some other stuff thrown in. I only like Supper's Ready and The Cinema Show, the rest just bore me. Firth of Fifth sounds like a cheap Awaken clone, Dancing With the Moonlit Knight...bleh, don't like it. And trust me I've tried to get into them.

Genesis, Dream Theatre and most of the new progbands

Fans of the neo-prog movement tend to protect the reputations of their faves...especially the Dream Theater crowd.  I don't even consider most of the stuff prog, though I don't really mind the stuff (usually).  I think that Marillion is TERRIBLY overrated, as are Dream Theater.  They've come to Seoul, Korea three out of the past five years....went to two of the shows and didn't have a bad time, but I was usually ready for the exit after the first set or two.

As for the "classical" prog period, I'd say ELP are WAY overrated.  Most of the stuff gives the "prog" scene a bad name (oooooh, harsh!).

I also think the US prog troupes are borderline cringe-worthy, shyte like Styx, Kansas, early Journey, Starcastle, and the Canadian trio Rush....high school parking lot burn out music (I should know, I was there!).

I agree with KC/Fripp being overated  (at least post '71)

god those improv sections are boring.

and he really dose come off as an a**hole.