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Points: 1497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2009 at 04:31
I think that it's not necessarily the word itself but the emotion or intent conveyed by the user. 
 
I worked for a while in Belfast building some studios and one of the local lads labouring for the builders went by the name of Paddy.  I'd assumed that it was because he was called Patrick but it turned out he was actually Michael.  He was quite happy with the name Paddy and said that he'd always been known as such from a very young age.
 
As for walking into a pub where you are not known and using familiar language with the locals; I think that may well earn you a kicking almost anywhere from Land's End to John o' Groats.  Most local communities (especially young lads drinking) are usually sceptical of strangers and anything that may be thought of as disrespectful would be enough to cause trouble.
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Points: 7064 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2009 at 17:40
Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

People's opinion about Jock, Yank, Paddy, Anzac, Taffy.

 
Walk into a crowded bar in Glasgow and start calling every male in the place Jock. Repeat the experiment in a crowded bar in Dublin (alright Paddy! How's the craic tonight!), and then you could maybe head over to Cardiff to greet total strangers as Taffy to complete your tour of the Celtic fringe.
 
I think that should give you a fairly good grassroots view of how three fairly disparate groups feel about the nicknames in question - and I'd be genuinely interested to find out how you got on.
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Originally posted by T.Rox T.Rox wrote:

As for Yank, I am not sure if other parts of the world call our American friends by the term Seppo, but we do here in Australia. It comes from Yank rhyming with Septic Tank, contracted to Seppo ... and it is a term that is used in humour rather than any kind of slur, much like the English being called Poms. It is all about friendly rivalry in sport, etc.
 


I can attest that I've been called a Yank many times, but never a Seppo... LOL

I take no offense in being called a Yankee, in fact I'm proud to be a Yank.  Wink  However, "Yankee" is also a term used by American Southerners to refer to Northerners - mostly in good fun, but sometimes not.  If you were to call someone from the American South a Yankee, you might get a look ranging from quizzical to hostile.  Wink
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Originally posted by T.Rox T.Rox wrote:

Originally posted by Neil Neil wrote:

Originally posted by visitor2035 visitor2035 wrote:

Can someone tell me why Paki is racist...but Scot isn't?????????????

Think about it.
 
I've always wondered that because Paki is just the diminuitive of Pakistani in the same way that Brit is the diminuitive of Briton, Scot is the diminuitive of Scotsman and Aussie the diminuitive of Australian.
 
I think that it's a product of history and the way that the word was used in the 1970s and 1980s.  i.e. always as part of an insult.
 
However you are correct; simply referring to someone as a Paki is no more insulting that referring to them as an Aussie (ah, may have found the problemWink).
 
 
Aussies use the term Aussie themselves, as do the Scots with Scot ... but I don't believe I have ever heard anyone from Pakistan call themselves anything other than a Pakistani ... and would suggest, as been said earlier, that it is about the intent that goes with the use of the word Paki, a racial slur.
 

My mate Imran uses the term quite a lot, but I think he's the exception.
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Originally posted by Neil Neil wrote:

Originally posted by visitor2035 visitor2035 wrote:

Can someone tell me why Paki is racist...but Scot isn't?????????????

Think about it.
 
I've always wondered that because Paki is just the diminuitive of Pakistani in the same way that Brit is the diminuitive of Briton, Scot is the diminuitive of Scotsman and Aussie the diminuitive of Australian.
 
I think that it's a product of history and the way that the word was used in the 1970s and 1980s.  i.e. always as part of an insult.
 
However you are correct; simply referring to someone as a Paki is no more insulting that referring to them as an Aussie (ah, may have found the problemWink).
 
 
Aussies use the term Aussie themselves, as do the Scots with Scot ... but I don't believe I have ever heard anyone from Pakistan call themselves anything other than a Pakistani ... and would suggest, as been said earlier, that it is about the intent that goes with the use of the word Paki, a racial slur.
 
 
 
Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

People's opinion about Jock, Yank, Paddy, Anzac, Taffy.

 
I haven't heard Anzac used other than to describe the actual Anzacs from WWI ... we are usually just Aussies and Kiwis normally. Who knows what you foreigners get up to, though Wink
 
As for Yank, I am not sure if other parts of the world call our American friends by the term Seppo, but we do here in Australia. It comes from Yank rhyming with Septic Tank, contracted to Seppo ... and it is a term that is used in humour rather than any kind of slur, much like the English being called Poms. It is all about friendly rivalry in sport, etc.
 
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Bus routes on campus.

Almost 40,000 total students, meager bus routes. There's a 50-50 chance you'll get a bus if you want it, but only after shafting others waiting in line. I'm not quite that big of a dick, so I'm walking most of the time. And 50-50 is not good enough odds when it's -25 Fahrenheit (wind chill). Angry
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Aye, but don't forget. Many of the countries we have fought against in the past have also been our allies as well.
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Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

People's opinion about Jock, Yank, Paddy, Anzac, Taffy.

Personally I avoid all of them... the only person I've ever called Paddy was a friend of mine called Pardeep and even his mother called him Paddy - needless to say, he wasn't Irish.
 
Coming from a nation that has managed to annoy (ie go to war against) just about every other nation on the planet at some time in its history and have much in our nations past to be uncomfortable about, it is remarkable that names such as limey, pom, bife, inselaffe, tea bag, saes, sassenach, tommy, angrez, fajfokloki, gora, le rosbif, le godam and (best of all) le f**koff are neither scathing nor hurtful to an Englishman - in fact I would go as far as to say most Brits find them all rather amusing. I think we're actually quite proud of them (or that anyone even notices that our tiny island still exists), however, just because we are not offended by the names people call us does not mean we should assume that they are not offended by the names we call them. If a particular nation, race or creed finds a name offensive, then it is offensive and if you continue to use it then you are continuing to offending them.
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Originally posted by Neil Neil wrote:

Originally posted by visitor2035 visitor2035 wrote:

Can someone tell me why Paki is racist...but Scot isn't?????????????

Think about it.
 
I've always wondered that because Paki is just the diminuitive of Pakistani in the same way that Brit is the diminuitive of Briton, Scot is the diminuitive of Scotsman and Aussie the diminuitive of Australian.
 
I think that it's a product of history and the way that the word was used in the 1970s and 1980s.  i.e. always as part of an insult.
 
However you are correct; simply referring to someone as a Paki is no more insulting that referring to them as an Aussie (ah, may have found the problemWink).
Because it has been used as a racial slur for so long it has no other meaning. Just because the word itself is "innocent" does not make use of the word innocent..
 
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Originally posted by visitor2035 visitor2035 wrote:

Can someone tell me why Paki is racist...but Scot isn't?????????????

Think about it.
 
I've always wondered that because Paki is just the diminuitive of Pakistani in the same way that Brit is the diminuitive of Briton, Scot is the diminuitive of Scotsman and Aussie the diminuitive of Australian.
 
I think that it's a product of history and the way that the word was used in the 1970s and 1980s.  i.e. always as part of an insult.
 
However you are correct; simply referring to someone as a Paki is no more insulting that referring to them as an Aussie (ah, may have found the problemWink).
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Can someone tell me why Paki is racist...but Scot isn't?????????????

Think about it.
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Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

populated by a few thousand neolithic-hunter gatherers with no written language.




Like Swindon, you mean?
 
 
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Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

populated by a few thousand neolithic-hunter gatherers with no written language.




Like Swindon, you mean?



I've always thought he's been quite nice.
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populated by a few thousand neolithic-hunter gatherers with no written language.




Like Swindon, you mean?

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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

To not have a state of the art airport designed for the 21st century puts us back into the Stone Age.
Peter Marton, Middlesbrough
 
- currently one of the leading comments on the BBC's Have Your Say section, believe it or not Confused.
 
So there you have it - either we have yet another massively unpopular expansion which is probably unnecessary and arguably destructive, or we revert to being an island populated by a few thousand neolithic-hunter gatherers with no written language. It's good to have a sense of perspective about these things.
 
 
It always amuses me that the the people with the most extreme views are proportionally further from the epicentre than the moderates, both in their opinion and their geographical location - A third runway isn't going to affect someone living 250 miles away in Middlesbrough - stick it in his backyard and see what Mr Marton has to say then.
 
Any more air traffic and we'll be living in a Stone Age sooner than we think.
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To not have a state of the art airport designed for the 21st century puts us back into the Stone Age.
Peter Marton, Middlesbrough
 
- currently one of the leading comments on the BBC's Have Your Say section, believe it or not Confused.
 
So there you have it - either we have yet another massively unpopular expansion which is probably unnecessary and arguably destructive, or we revert to being an island populated by a few thousand neolithic-hunter gatherers with no written language. It's good to have a sense of perspective about these things.
 
 
 
 
 
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HEATHROW EXPANSION PLANS
Government approves 3rd runway  Ouch
 
 
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Oh Mary, they're asking us to leave."

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