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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2009 at 06:26
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

^ Will you also keep ignoring the nonsensical consequences of your views that Anderson III and I have pointed out? 

They are nonsensical consequences indeed, so of course I ignore them Wink. I only take into account consequences that make sense.
You don't have to like my approach, but it is mine. Why can't you not simply accept it?


Of course we accept your approach. We're just pointing out a differing way to look at an album and making conversation, really...

though your approach is nonsensical! Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2009 at 06:27
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

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Suppose there is a song of about 20 minutes which you think is great, but somewhere in the middle there are 2 minutes you really hate. Do you skip those 2 minutes then? Actually it would be easy to make your version of that song by cutting those 2 minutes out. But would you actually do so? Then why do you do it with a single song? Just because it can be done more easily?
No, I will stick to listening to the whole of an album and nothing else..
A classic example of that is the Neanderthal section in Tubular Bells - many may like it - I don't, but even if the facility to skip it existed, I still wouldn't.
 
Die Eier von Satan is a great track - Tool are not a po-faced "serious" band - there's always been a streak of sarcastic humour in their music (especially on Ænema - which is dedicated to Bill Hicks after all) and I see Die Eier von Satan as a fine lampoon of the right-wing Martial Industrial music of bands like Von Thronstahl and Death In June.
 
BE is a strange album anyway - there are tracks on there I don't like much, but Nauticus isn't one of them - I didn't like Vocari Dei at first, but in context of the whole album it works - the playlette at the beginning of Dea Pecuniae annoying, but the track itself is good... It is amusing that an album about human existence and god is in itself flawed  - a little like Persian carpets that have deliberate errors to show that no one can be perfect except god (or that god might regard a human work of art without imperfection as hubris)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2009 at 13:30
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Matching Mole: O Caroline
Magma: Spiritual
Van Der Graaf Generator: Masks


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I simply can't understand why any of those tracks are skip-worthy! O Caroline is just plain lovely, Spiritual might be the weakest on Attahk but it's still got lots going for it and Masks is just... HOW COULD YOU? Confused

Personally I try not to skip tracks unless they're really dreadful and out of place amongst the rest of an album. If I'm going to listen to an album I'll listen to it warts n' all!


Oh Caroline was  once voted to have  the best non-cliched Mellotron use - probably concur, therefore near-essential.

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Free-from Guitar ( ex. CTA) Chicago - with a programmable CD player, which I can programme that out, then I can happily sit through the rest of the album on repeat play

All the acapella tunes on Joni Mitchell's Shadows & Light - although I love the Persuasions elsewhere (i.e their Zappa tributealbum).

The Clap (ex. The Yes Album) seemed out of context with the rest of the tunes for me

More Fool Me (ex. Genesis's Selling England)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 15:08
- Sheep - Pink Floyd.
- Arrow - VDGG.
- The Dirty Jobs - The Who.
- The Best Laid Plans - Kevin Gilbert.
- Exiles - King Crimson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 15:26
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Die Eier von Satan is a great track - Tool are not a po-faced "serious" band - there's always been a streak of sarcastic humour in their music (especially on Ænema - which is dedicated to Bill Hicks after all) and I see Die Eier von Satan as a fine lampoon of the right-wing Martial Industrial music of bands like Von Thronstahl and Death In June.
 
BE is a strange album anyway - there are tracks on there I don't like much, but Nauticus isn't one of them - I didn't like Vocari Dei at first, but in context of the whole album it works - the playlette at the beginning of Dea Pecuniae annoying, but the track itself is good... It is amusing that an album about human existence and god is in itself flawed  - a little like Persian carpets that have deliberate errors to show that no one can be perfect except god (or that god might regard a human work of art without imperfection as hubris)
Same here, on both cases.

Die eier von satan is genius for me, it's one of that songs that I love to listen at max volume Big smile

And BE is just the same experience for me, very much mixed feelings... Dae Pecuniae is still my skip track of this album... Never caught it. I used to like Diffidentia, but after some time it appeared too flat for me. Out of these, the album flows very well for me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 16:23
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

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Suppose there is a song of about 20 minutes which you think is great, but somewhere in the middle there are 2 minutes you really hate. Do you skip those 2 minutes then? Actually it would be easy to make your version of that song by cutting those 2 minutes out. But would you actually do so? Then why do you do it with a single song? Just because it can be done more easily?
No, I will stick to listening to the whole of an album and nothing else..
A classic example of that is the Neanderthal section in Tubular Bells - many may like it - I don't, but even if the facility to skip it existed, I still wouldn't.
 
Die Eier von Satan is a great track - Tool are not a po-faced "serious" band - there's always been a streak of sarcastic humour in their music (especially on Ænema - which is dedicated to Bill Hicks after all) and I see Die Eier von Satan as a fine lampoon of the right-wing Martial Industrial music of bands like Von Thronstahl and Death In June.
 
BE is a strange album anyway - there are tracks on there I don't like much, but Nauticus isn't one of them - I didn't like Vocari Dei at first, but in context of the whole album it works - the playlette at the beginning of Dea Pecuniae annoying, but the track itself is good... It is amusing that an album about human existence and god is in itself flawed  - a little like Persian carpets that have deliberate errors to show that no one can be perfect except god (or that god might regard a human work of art without imperfection as hubris)
 


Of course I'm not expecting everyone to agree - it's a matter of tasteWink
I think music is my entertainment, and I don't feel like I owe anyone to listen to anything. And if there's 2 annoying minutes in a middle of a great song I'll fast forward through it. Like the ambient parts on FTM. I know some people like them, but for me they interrupt the flow of an otherwise masterpiece so what the hell - i'm not a masochist right? We (I do at leastConfused) listen to music for pleasure and if a song isn't pleasing, or worse yet irritating I see no problem with skipping it and I don't feel any obligations to the artist... maybe this attitude is a little consumeristic but if I was an artist I wouldn't epect my fans to love every song on every album.  With that ideology, maybe it's disrespectful to the artist to skip certain albums too? I'm not obliged to like Love Beach if I'm an ELP fan am I?Tongue Isn't that kinda like skipping a song, if you take the band's discography as a big "album"? We have no problem bashing weak albums by our favorite bands, so why can't I hate Die Eier von Satan being an AEnima fan if I can hate Invisible Touch being a huge Genesis fan?Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 17:12
Originally posted by rpe9p rpe9p wrote:


4. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) - Genesis
3. More Fool Me - Genesis


Well that means you skip one good share of the prog album which is consider in this website to be the best ever madeSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 17:14
Originally posted by Gustavo Froes Gustavo Froes wrote:

Originally posted by rpe9p rpe9p wrote:


4. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) - Genesis
3. More Fool Me - Genesis


Well that means you skip one good share of the prog album which is consider in this website to be the best ever madeSmile


Yeah well... that's the share that prevents it from being the best ever made...Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 17:18
I don't skip songs on albums.  If I listen to an album I listen to the whole thing...warts and all.  Although, I don't find More Fool Me to be such a wart on the album, although I've grown a bit tired of I Know What I Like. I still don't skip it.  I don't even skip It from The Lamb which would be easy to do since it's the last song. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 17:19
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by Gustavo Froes Gustavo Froes wrote:

Originally posted by rpe9p rpe9p wrote:


4. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) - Genesis
3. More Fool Me - Genesis


Well that means you skip one good share of the prog album which is consider in this website to be the best ever madeSmile


Yeah well... that's the share that prevents it from being the best ever made...Cry


I don't think I know what i like is a bad song,just a bit annoying at times(for phil's voice)and maybe out of place.And I simply don't understand this anthologic hatred towards More fool me.It's just a harmless acoustic song,and if it's really that bad,well,it's short lenghtedTongue.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 17:27
Originally posted by Gustavo Froes Gustavo Froes wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by Gustavo Froes Gustavo Froes wrote:

Originally posted by rpe9p rpe9p wrote:


4. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) - Genesis
3. More Fool Me - Genesis


Well that means you skip one good share of the prog album which is consider in this website to be the best ever madeSmile


Yeah well... that's the share that prevents it from being the best ever made...Cry


I don't think I know what i like is a bad song,just a bit annoying at times(for phil's voice)and maybe out of place.And I simply don't understand this anthologic hatred towards More fool me.It's just a harmless acoustic song,and if it's really that bad,well,it's short lenghtedTongue.


I guess it's okay for what it is but it would be much more in place on Invisible Touch or a Collins solo album... both of which are pretty good by pop standards but it stands out on SEBTP as being noticeably below the level of everything else.
I Know What I like isn't even as good of a pop song, I don't really like the chorus and once again, it stands out as being much weaker the rest of the material, plus I think it doesn't fit the mood too well since it's a bit cheery for an otherwise fairly dark themed album.
In other words, they're good songs by themselves but not good enough for SEBTP.Wink I don't usually bother skipping them but they do stand out as little pieces of imperfection in an otherwise masterpiece.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 17:33
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by Gustavo Froes Gustavo Froes wrote:

Originally posted by rpe9p rpe9p wrote:


4. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) - Genesis
3. More Fool Me - Genesis


Well that means you skip one good share of the prog album which is consider in this website to be the best ever madeSmile


Yeah well... that's the share that prevents it from being the best ever made...Cry
Well, not exactly the best for me, but I think these songs prevent the album to be flawless. Even I would add Time Table to the black list...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 17:58
Originally posted by AlexUC AlexUC wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by Gustavo Froes Gustavo Froes wrote:

Originally posted by rpe9p rpe9p wrote:


4. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) - Genesis
3. More Fool Me - Genesis


Well that means you skip one good share of the prog album which is consider in this website to be the best ever madeSmile


Yeah well... that's the share that prevents it from being the best ever made...Cry
Well, not exactly the best for me, but I think these songs prevent the album to be flawless. Even I would add Time Table to the black list...


Meh, Time Table is pretty beautiful, at least it's not a pop love song and it's not awkward like IKWILTongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 18:16
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by AlexUC AlexUC wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by Gustavo Froes Gustavo Froes wrote:

Originally posted by rpe9p rpe9p wrote:


4. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) - Genesis
3. More Fool Me - Genesis


Well that means you skip one good share of the prog album which is consider in this website to be the best ever madeSmile


Yeah well... that's the share that prevents it from being the best ever made...Cry
Well, not exactly the best for me, but I think these songs prevent the album to be flawless. Even I would add Time Table to the black list...


Meh, Time Table is pretty beautiful, at least it's not a pop love song and it's not awkward like IKWILTongue
The song is cool, but, you know, having outstanding shorter songs like can-utility and watcher... They had to sell something I guess...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 18:19
I actually like time table better than can-utility...which has always been my least fav on foxtrot.  although, its picked up a bit since i heard the remix.  still it doesn't compare to the first three on side 1 or the whole of side 2. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2009 at 19:49
Actually, the idea that you owe it to an artist to listen to an album in its entirety makes me wonder if those advocates would insist on listening to their works in order? Are you compelled to listen to the infamous difficult second album? Would they feel compelled to listen to Tin Drum which even Mr Bowie seems to be pretty embarrassed about? How far does this fealty extend? Are you compelled to buy albums into the artist's inevitable long slow descent into mediocrity?

Rather reminds me of Paul Weller doing an In Concert on the Beeb in his Style Council days, who being a little tetchy at the crowd not showing due reverence in between songs said "I need absolute silence for this number."

I'm trying to remember which album was produced without bands between tracks to try and ensure that people didn't skip tracks.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2009 at 04:49
Originally posted by Spenny Spenny wrote:

Actually, the idea that you owe it to an artist to listen to an album in its entirety makes me wonder if those advocates would insist on listening to their works in order? Are you compelled to listen to the infamous difficult second album? Would they feel compelled to listen to Tin Drum which even Mr Bowie seems to be pretty embarrassed about? How far does this fealty extend? Are you compelled to buy albums into the artist's inevitable long slow descent into mediocrity?

Rather reminds me of Paul Weller doing an In Concert on the Beeb in his Style Council days, who being a little tetchy at the crowd not showing due reverence in between songs said "I need absolute silence for this number."

I'm trying to remember which album was produced without bands between tracks to try and ensure that people didn't skip tracks.

You did not get my drift at all. When I said you "owe" it to the artist, I meant it this way: For me an album is like a symphony by a classical composer, with the tracks being the movements of it. Now a symphony is considered to be a whole work of art; you won't find an orchestra playing the first movement of Beethoven's 5th, and I would always listen to it as a whole. It is meant to be that way and only makes sense that way. So I also listen to all the movements of a "modern symphony". If some parts of the symphony are bad, then that says something about the symphony, and I will certainly not hear it very often. But I WON'T skip those weak parts. If I do something I do it 100%. It may sound strange to you, but I would feel worse after having listened to only the "good" tracks of an album than after having listened to it in the whole. You may not understand this attitude, but I frankly don't give a damn; I don''t understand yours either and.
By the way: What would you have done in the days of vinyl? Go and run to lift the needle so you won't have to hear the "weak" track? Record all your albums on tape, skipping those weak tracks for the recording (but then why did you buy the album in the first place)?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2009 at 06:59
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Suppose there is a song of about 20 minutes which you think is great, but somewhere in the middle there are 2 minutes you really hate. Do you skip those 2 minutes then? Actually it would be easy to make your version of that song by cutting those 2 minutes out. But would you actually do so?


I don't do this a lot, but have done so in the past. Back in the 70's, I absolutely hated the eerie, squeely middle part of Pink Floyd's 'Echoes', so I made a cassette version with that part clipped out. "Have You Seen Junior's Grades?" also got chopped from a VH song. Most recently, the bridge in "Don't Go" from Yes' Magnification CD was sent through MP3 Edit. I like the song ok, but could not stand, stand, stand the following part, which no longer exists in my edit:
"So he booked himself a trip, extended holiday
None of this always working late
The porter took him to his room; he headed for the bar
To get another drink
She got a phone call saying her lover had ran away
Just another phone call, another bad day
She packed her keys got out of town
Stole her best friend's car
Promised he would bring it back
That's what friends are for..."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2009 at 22:38
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

1. One of These Days
2. A Pillow of Winds
3. Fearless
4. San Tropez
5. Seamus

And if you don't at least some of the time, you're a liar.

I have to at least listen to One of these Days, otherwise I feel bad. Tongue I don't know how anyone could skip around on DSOTM though. Confused
I always skip:
The Grand Vizier's Garden Party
Still You Turn Me On and Benny the Bouncer
and sometimes CTTE
I usually only listen to 2112 on 2112
I skip the second half of Moonchild
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2009 at 02:38
hm, I am quite sure a lot of people skip the second part of"Moonchild". they miss something important though: the end of "Moonchild" has a little theme which perfectly prepares for the following "In the Court of the Crimson King"; they kind of segue into each other. it is one of the most superb segues of all time


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