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    Posted: September 17 2009 at 17:57

The Beach Boys SMILE. Although the sessions didn't progress until 1967. Good Vibrations which was part of the SMILE sessions might have been released in 66' I forget. Smile some say was the answer to SGT. PEPPER. But that could be just a hypish concept. On the original tapes their voices are channeled through phase shifters and the vocals are very errie at times. The section which is known to be the Fire tapes is about 20 minutes long and has a bizzare reminiscence to the way Gentle Giant or King Crimson used tri tones. I know that sounds far fetched to most, but if I were to play the track you may not realize it's the Beach Boys your'e listening to.

The Lovin' Spoonful had strange songs. Booker T who was already mentioned and the Ventures.
There was a strange ballad back in the 60's titled: EVERYONE'S GONE TO THE MOON. The version I have is by Sara Hickman and it's a very strange sad  little song. I am not sure who recorded the original.
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

The 13.40 long suite from Fistful of Dollars by Ennio Morricone has all you can dream of in a prog-epic.  A masterpiece!



Morricone has loads that could pass for prog of numerous subgenres, though.


 
'scuse me for ressurrecting this old topic, but I finally got around to Ennio Morricone and wow...
 
It's pure ELP! listen to
 
The Indians from Guns don't argue (1964)
Almost Dead; The Result; both from A Fistful of Dollars (1964)
Sixty Seconds to What?; The Showdown; For a few dollars More; all three from For A Few Dollars More (1965)
 
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You should definitely consider Babatunde Olatunji's Drums of Passion (1959).
 
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^excellent suggestions and argumentation, Michel Clap
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Some milestones :

1887 Claude DeBussy (composer) - Printemps (impressionnism)

1899 Arnold Schoenberg (composer) - Verklarte Nacht (atonality, dodecaphonism, i.e. utilization of the 12 tones equally, instead of mainly the seven usual tones)

1898 to 1907 Charles Ives (composer) - Central Park In The Dark (utilization of polymelody, i.e. many melodies playing at the same time)(Franz Von Biber was using this technique already in the 17th century)

1916 Éric Satie (composer) - Parade (including all kind of noises and repetition)

1923 Edgar Varèse (composer) - Hyperprisme (including siren and frightening sounds)

1924 Pashchenko (composer) - Mystery Symphony for theremin and orchestra (first utilization of the electronical instrument)

1928 Levidi (composer) - Poème Symphonique (first utilization of "les ondes Martenot", an electronical instrument)

1939 John Cage (this suggestion was interesting) - Imaginary Landscape (deformation of sounds)(he also invented the prepared piano)

1947 Les Paul - Brazil (electric guitars and multi-track recording techniques)

1948 Pierre Schaeffer (composer) - Étude Pathétique (using vinyle records to create new sounds)

1949 Pierre Schaeffer & Pierre Henry (composers) - Symphonie pour un homme seul (concrete music, i.e. utilization of concrete objects)

1954 Edgar Varèse - Déserts (completely electronic music)

1959 Miss Toni Fisher - The Big Hurt (a technical incident created a dephasing in the recording and the effect has been kept on the hit record)

1960 Roy Orbison - Lonely And Blue (album)(Roy's compositions were often complex ones, including many movements never repeated, i.e. not in the usual "verse-chorus" form)

1961 Jorgen Ingman - Apache (somes effects sound electronical ones)

1962 The Crystals - Twist Uptown (maybe the first Phil Spector's album using his "wall of sound" technique. A wave of studio producers was created, with Motown records, The Four Seasons (Bob Crewe), etc.)

1964 suggestion for The Dave Clark Five - Glad All Over (with echoes)

1964 december, The Beach Boys - the album "Today" (including dissonance and many sophisticated songs surpassing Phil Spector's techniques)

1965 october, The Beach Boys - The Little Girl I Once Knew (utilization of silence; the 45 single has been boycotted because the DJs didn't know when the song was ending. John Lennon was amazed by this record)

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Courtesy of Atavachron:
 
Time Beat b/w Waltz in Orbit     1962        Ray Cathode (Maddalena Fagandini & George Martin)
 
 
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Man in a deaf Corner                                                     '63/2001            Soft Machine
Dear Olde Benny Green is A-turning in his Grave   '63/2001            Daevid Allen Trio
Orientasian                                                                      '65/2001            Soft Machine
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Wow - no-one's mentioned Graham Bond's Organisation - earliest use of the Mellotron.
 
Live at Klooks Kleek (1964), The Sound of 65 and There's A Bond Between us surely qualify?
 
Can't name particular tracks off hand - I'll have to go back and re-listen, but I was certainly struck when I heard them the first time a few years ago.


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Originally posted by Man Erg Man Erg wrote:

Not sure if anyone has mentioned Raymond Scott yet.

He was a pioneer of electronic music from the 1940s.

His music has had an influence on many musicians including R.E.M., Eno and many electronica artists.

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http://raymondscott.com/timeline.html


love the Ray man 

surely Brian Wilson has been mentioned in this thread, so I won't bother Big smile
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Some other probable additions:

The Moody Blues - From the Bottom of My Heart  (Oct. 64)
The Byrds - Eight Miles High RCA Version (Dec. 65, released 1996)
Manfred Mann - I Can't Get no Satisfaction (unfortunately, Spring 1966)
Manfred Mann - Bare Hugg (Summer 1965)



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..for Sun Ra check out Angels and Demons at Play (1960)
 


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In conclusion, below the proto-prog songs suggested.
 
I will continue the analysis of the songs in a future blog.
 

Song                                                        Recorded/Released             Artist

Goodnight, Irene                                         ?/? ’32                                  Leadbelly

This Land is Your Land                               ?/? ’44                                  Woody Guthrie

?                                                               40’s                                     Raymond Scott

Music Out Of The Moon                             ?/? ’47                                 Les Baxter

Mess Around                                              ?/? ’53                                  Ahmet Ertegun

Forbidden Planet                                       ?/? ’56                                 Louis & Bebe Barron

Milestones                                                 ’58                                       Miles Davis

So What                                                    March '59/Aug ’59                  Miles Davis

All Blues                                                    April '59/Aug '59                    Miles Davis
Take Five                                                   July '59/? ’59                         Dave Brubeck Quartet
Blue Rondo A la Turk                                  Aug '59/                                Dave Brubeck Quartet

Thousand guitars                                        ?/? ‘59                                  Tracey Pendarvis

I Hear a New World                                     ? ‘59/? ’60                             Joe Meek

Olé                                                            ?/? ’61                                 John Coltrane

Hats Off To Larry                                        ?/?  '61                                 Del Shannon

Last Night                                                  ?/? ’61                                  Mar-Keys

Man In Space With Sounds                       ?/? ’62                                 Attilio Mineo

?                                                                ?                                          The Shadows

Green Onions                                            June?/Aug ’62                     Booker T. & The MG’s

Chinese Checkers                                     ?/June ’63                           Booker T. & The MG’s

Mo’ Onions                                               ?/Dec ’63                            Booker T. & The MG’s

Not A Second Time                                    Sept/Nov ’63                        Beatles

Pipeline                                                      ?/? '63                                  Chantays

Telstar                                                        ?/? ’63                                  Tornados

Robot                                                        ?/? ’63                                  Tornados

?                                                                ?/? ’63                                  Rebels

"Mixtur" and "Mikrophonie I"                    ?/?                                       Karlheinz Stockhausen

                                                                 ?/?                                       Terry Riley

                                                                 ?/?                                       Steve Reich

                                                                 ?/?                                       John Cage

Out Of Limits                                              ?/? '64                                  Marketts (Ventures?)

?                                                                ?/? ’64                                  Dave Clark Five

I Call Your Name                                         Mar/June ’64                         Beatles

Baby Let Me Take You Home                      Feb/March ’64                       Animals

House of the Rising Sun                             Feb/June ’64                      Animals

A Hard Day’s Night                                  April/July ’64                       Beatles

She’s Not There                                        ?/July? ’64                           Zombies

Things We Said Today                              June/July ’64                       Beatles

Zoot Suit                                                   June/July ’64                       Who

I’m The Face                                             June/July                             Who

I’m Crying                                                July/? ’64                            Animals

Every Little Thing                                        Sept/Dec ’64                        Beatles

I Feel Fine                                                 Oct/Nov ’64                        Beatles

Go Now                                                     ?/Nov ’64                              Moody Blues

Tell Her No                                                 ?/Dec ’64                              Zombies

Hesitation Blues                                         ?/? ’64                               The Holy Modal Rounders

I Can’t Explain                                          Nov ‘64/Jan ’65                  Who

A Fistful Of Dollars                                  ?/? ’64                                 Ennio Morricone

Crescent                                                 ?/? ’64                             John Coltrane

A Love Supreme                                      Dec '64/? ’65                       John Coltrane

Raga                                                        ? '64/'68                               Seventh Sons

For Your Love                                          ?/Feb ’65                             Yardbirds

Play with Fire                                           Jan/Feb ‘65                         Rolling Stones

Subterranean Homesick Blues                     Jan/April ’65                         Bob Dylan

I Knew I’d Want You                               Jan/April ’65                       Byrds

Ticket To Ride                                            Feb/April ’65                         Beatles

You've Got To Hide Your Love Away           Feb/Aug ’65                        Beatles

Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere                  April/May ’65                     Who

California Girls                                         April/July ’65                      Beach Boys

Here Without You                                     April/July ’65                      Byrds

Heart Full Of Soul                                     ?/June ’65                           Yardbirds

Like A Rolling Stone                                 June/July ’65                       Bob Dylan

Desolation Row                                        June/Aug ’65                       Bob Dylan

See My Friends                                          ?/? ’65                                  Kinks

We Gotta Get Out Of This Place                  ?/July ’65                              Animals

It’s My Life                                                 ?/? ’65                                  Animals

I’m Gonna Change The World                      ?/? ’65                                  Animals

Yesterday                                                  June/Aug ’65                        Beatles

Still I’m Sad                                              ?/Oct ’65                             Yardbirds

It Won’t Be Wrong                                    Sept/Dec ’65                       Byrds

Stranger In A Strange Land                       Sept ‘65/’96                        Byrds

Norwegian Wood                                     Oct/Dec ’65                         Beatles

If I Needed Someone                                Oct/Dec ’65                         Beatles

In My Life                                                Oct/Dec ’65                         Beatles

Nowhere Man                                           Oct/Dec ’65                         Beatles

We Can Work It Out                                    Oct/Dec ’65                         Beatles

My Generation                                          Oct/Nov ’65                        Who

The Good’s Gone                                     ?/Dec ’65                            Who

The Ox                                                      ?/Dec ’65                            Who

The Word                                                  Nov/Dec ’65                       Beatles

Girl                                                            Nov ‘65/Dec ’65                    Beatles

Think For Yourself                                      Nov/Dec ’65                         Beatles

He Was A Friend Of Mine                        Nov/Dec ’65                       Byrds

Pet Sounds                                                Nov ‘65/May ’66                Beach Boys

It’s No Secret                                            Dec ‘65/Sept 66                  Jefferson Airplane

High Flyin’ Bird                                       Dec ‘65/?                            Jefferson Airplane

Seal of the Blue Lotus                                ?/? ’65                             Robbie Basho                     

The Voice of the Turtle                                ?/? ’65 (68?)                        John Fahey

Shapes of Things                                       ‘65/Feb ’66                           Yardbirds

A Few Dollars More                                    ?/? ’65                               Ennio Morricone

A&M sessions                                          ?/? ’65 (’66?)                         Captain Beefheart

Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch,
Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles.
Bruce Haack - Dance, Sing and Listen

Skatellites

Gottfried Michael Koenig "PROJECT 1"

Graham Bond

Georgie Fame

Alan Price

Zoot Money

Alan Price

Sun Ra
Dick Hyman
Sandy Bull
Jon Lord's Santa Barbara Machine Head

Friday On My Mind (1966) The Easybeats

Dave Berry and "The crying game"

Twinkle w/ "Terry"

The Beau Brummels Laugh Laugh

1959 Tracey Pendarvis and "Thousand guitars"   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-paz1hfSc0

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCzjBZABec4&feature=related



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Originally posted by Rank1 Rank1 wrote:

The Animals "House of the Rising Sun"
 
- recorded February '64 and released June that year.
 
More proto-prog Animals:
 
Baby Let Me Take You Home  Feb/March '64
I'm Crying  July/? '64
We Gotta Get Out Of This Place  ?/July '65 (earliest example of US-type psychedelic rock?)
It's My Life  ?/? '65 (another early example of US-type psychedelic)
I'm Gonna Change The World  ?/? '65 (yet another early example of US-type psychedelic rock)
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned Raymond Scott yet.

He was a pioneer of electronic music from the 1940s.

His music has had an influence on many musicians including R.E.M., Eno and many electronica artists.

Link:

http://raymondscott.com/timeline.html

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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:


John Coltrane "A Love Supreme"+ Crescent

from 1961


How about the 18 min epic Olé from Olé Coltrane 1961? It really sticks out of its time, and the album it belongs. (not just because its long) Very similar approach to a lot of jazzrockfusion we got on this site.. 
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Originally posted by Captain Capricorn Captain Capricorn wrote:

 - also, check out Attilio Mineo's Man In Space With Sounds (1962)
 
 
...as well as Louis & Bebe Barron's soundtrack to the 1956 film Forbidden Planet & Les Baxter's Music Out Of The Moon (1947).
 
I suppose all of this might work better for a pre '66 space playlist than a pre '66 prog playlist Cry
 
Great examples of music that may have influenced prog. Most notably the use of the theremin, the Moog and electronics. I think the most obvious link can be heard in early Frank Zappa. And Brian Wilson's use of the theremin. In a way, the sci-fi theme also acts as a precursor to the concept album. Also, this music is a precursor to prog artists' excursions into film scores / soundtracks.
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Originally posted by zicIy zicIy wrote:

for example,  i disagree that "The Ox" track is proto-prog. IMHO, that one is the very first British Prog Rock track.
Entwistle plays a wonderful bolero style bass as he often did. It was later adopted by Emerson and King Crimson who fell in love with the bolero. Even to this day it remains a signature aspect of Emerson's best work, just listen to 2008's Emerson Band feat. Bonilla
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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Del Shannon Hats Of f To Larry '61
 
 
With an early use of synthesizer-like electronics of some sort?
 
Maybe it was just that cheesy organ that graced most of his hits, e.g., Runaway.
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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Originally posted by Rank1 Rank1 wrote:

I would say a no to "Zoot Suit" and "Im the Face". 
 
I strongly tend to agree with you as I have already indicated above.
 
I'm also not sure about Go Now.
 
Although by bands (previously) listed as proto-prog, I don't find the songs themselves to be proto-prog.
 
Pete Townshend was mentioned those mod hymns "Zoot Suit" & "I'm The Face" at Quadrophenia - an great rock opera about mods and their era, so if that's not enough for those two songs to be on your list, let's clean them out from the list. very simple.
 
i understand that's very hard to make an huge list of pre '66 proto-prog songs, so i just tried to help.
 
the opinions are always different.
 
for example,  i disagree that "The Ox" track is proto-prog. IMHO, that one is the very first British Prog Rock track.


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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Originally posted by zicIy zicIy wrote:

"Milestones", "Kind of Blue" ... Miles' albums pre'66...who made the better proto-prog than him at that ancient times ? Nobody. Big smile
 
Any particular tracks off these albums?
 
May I suggest All Blues and/or So What off Kind Of Blue?
 
Do not know Milestones, so need your help on this one.
 
yea! "So What" track is my fav on "Kind of Blue" album.
 
"Milestones" the title track is my fav.
 
just my opinions, of course.
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