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tamijo 
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 Posted: June 02 2009 at 01:26 |
 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Each country has it's peculiaritioes Tarijo.
For example in the early 70's each store had exactly this albunms (Remember them all)
1.- DSOTM
2.- Animals
3.- Atom Heart Mother
4.- Trilogy
5.- Brain Salad Surgery
6.- Six Wives
7.- Journey to the Centre of the Earth (Quadraphonic version)
8.- Myths and Legends of King Arthur & The Knights of the Rund Table
Nothing more.............Except for ............Believe it or not................TRIUMVIRAT
Illusions on a Double Dimple and Spartacus were huge here, two of the few Prog albums that El Virrey Records printed in Peru
Thre was also a Kraftwerk album and Greenslade, but the same copies old and torn were for ever in the same place.
Later, Kansas (Leftoverture and Point of Know Return), of course The Wall, ATTW3, Oldfield and Alan Parsons Pyramids came to the stores. No Yes, Prog Genesis, Tull, King Crimson, etc.
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LOL
Yes that sound very strange, no Yes, but Kansas 
Anyway, im from a rather big town (about 1 mil. people) so the record store got almost whatever you wanted as long as you knew where to go, but the mainstream record store, got only Floyd
and later Mike Oldfild. Those stores are still pretty useless.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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tamijo
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Posted: June 02 2009 at 01:38 |
This walking down memorial lane, is just so nice 
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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GaryB
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Posted: June 02 2009 at 07:03 |
My record store in the mid 70s carried the entire catalogues (all LPs available) of Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, ELP, Gentle Giant, Zappa/Mothers, King Crimson, Supertramp, Kansas, Mott The Hoople, Jethro Tull, Bowie, Manfred Mann, Be-Bop Deluxe, Phil Manzanera, Fripp and Eno, Pavlov's Dog, Starcastle, Capt. Beefheart, Lucifer's Friend, Jean Luc Ponty, Return To Forever (also all solos by Al DiMeola and Stanley Clarke), Billy Cobham, Tony White, Larry Coryell, Perigeo, etc, etc, etc. There was NEVER any "dead air" at my store, the stereo went on when we opened and stayed on until we closed at night (11 pm on Friday and Saturday).
We also had an import section with three to four hundred LPs. We sold five times more imports than any of the other fifteen stores. This was because my good friend and I started The Import Hour from 6 pm til 7 pm every Sunday. We featured non U.S. releases only. A funny footnote, I could sell at least two copies of HooDoo Man by Birth Control simply by playing Gamma Ray loud and then showing the customer the cover.
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Garion81
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Posted: June 02 2009 at 14:37 |
GaryB wrote:
This was because my good friend and I started The Import Hour from 6 pm til 7 pm every Sunday. We featured non U.S. releases only. A funny footnote, I could sell at least two copies of HooDoo Man by Birth Control simply by playing Gamma Ray loud and then showing the customer the cover. |
Was that an in store import hour? I remember KNAC had a great import hour show as well. Heard some great things on there. Music Plus in HB had a good selection of imports as well. The Licorice Pizza's in OC did not have such a good selection.
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Rushman
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Posted: June 02 2009 at 14:52 |
Didn't read through eight pages, so I hope I'm not repeating anything.
Prog was never "POP" music.
Back in the early '70s when I was 11 or 12, I listened to pop music, mainly on the AM dial.
All prog and most rock in general (what we would now consider "classic rock") was played on the FM dial, which, believe it or not, was somewhat underground. Most car radios or portable-type radios didn't even carry the FM band.
I grew up in the New York City radio market, and I listened to WABC-AM as a kid on my little transistor AM radio. "Pop" music in the U. S. in those days was The Night Chicago Died, (Whoa Ho Ho) It's Magic, Live and Let Die, etc.
Prog was popular with a certain niche market (older teens, maybe young adults), but was never mainstream "pop" music.
Edited by Rushman - June 02 2009 at 14:53
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 02 2009 at 15:06 |
Yeah, for what I see in the later posts, Prog is taking it's real place, as a popular but not massive genre compared with mainstream radio music (Even in New York).
That's how I remembered it.
Iván
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eddz
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Posted: June 02 2009 at 16:11 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, because I was born 20 years after prog's hey day, but you seem to be overlooking how punk has affected music positively. One of the first forms of extreme metal (thrash), comes from hardcore punk (and metal of course). We wouldn't have new wave, which is a large part of 80's pop and is related to "crossover" groups. We wouldn't see bands like The Mars Volta, Muse, Coheed and Cambria, or The Dear Hunter, who have attempted to fuse punk with prog.
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GaryB
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 05:59 |
Garion81...The Import Hour was in-store and was started by a friend of mine. We were store #6 in Downey. I remember the good old days of KNAC and was listening in the day it went off the air. They were responsible for the popularity of a lot of Heavy Metal bands back then. BTW, the first time I heard the term Heavy Metal was in the Steppenwolf song Born To Be Wild and I think John Kay was referring to motocycles.
Rushman is correct about "underground" being used to describe FM rock music. The non-conformists were just starting to non-conform and I guess the expression sounded cool. KABC was the first station I remember playing underground rock. A little later it was all KMET and KLOS and AM played only late 50s and early 60s rock and roll "oldies".
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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 06:28 |
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It was so popular that "Pawn Hearts", which I think everybody will agree is quite an experimental album, was at the very top of the charts for weeks in Italy.
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tamijo
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 07:12 |
eddz wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I was born 20 years after prog's hey day, but you seem to be overlooking how punk has affected music positively. One of the first forms of extreme metal (thrash), comes from hardcore punk (and metal of course). We wouldn't have new wave, which is a large part of 80's pop and is related to "crossover" groups. We wouldn't see bands like The Mars Volta, Muse, Coheed and Cambria, or The Dear Hunter, who have attempted to fuse punk with prog.
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Couldent agree more, every music direction will have an effect on the what comes later.
Even though you may not like it when it appears.
Only totaly waist in music, is brainless reproduction. And you can find that in any genre
Edited by tamijo - June 03 2009 at 07:13
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Moogtron III
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 07:46 |
BaldFriede wrote:
It was so popular that "Pawn Hearts", which I think everybody will agree is quite an experimental album, was at the very top of the charts for weeks in Italy. |
Exactly, that was my point as well earlier in this discussion.
And look at Raff's posts as well.
Plus look at the top 5 which I copied for this thread.
Prog was very popular, at least in Italy, maybe in some other places as well.
Edited by Moogtron III - June 03 2009 at 07:47
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KingCrimson250
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 10:34 |
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You know, it's interesting how Genesis never really approached the popularity of Yes and ELP during their prog days. Almost makes you wonder, if Genesis had never gone pop, would their prog days still be as well-known as they are now? Or would they be more of a "cult" favourite, along the lines of Camel and VDGG?
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 11:58 |
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You are correct, King. I think partly Genesis was more of an art-rock outfit in their prog days, and did not aspire to play stadiums the way ELP did in their heyday. I saw them a number of times in their prog days, always in venues smaller than they could have taken. Maybe they wanted to be closer to their audience?
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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 13:58 |
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I think it is important to keep in mind that the term "prog" or "progressive" was not used at all back then. In Germany some named it "Klassik Rock" because the structure of some of it reminded people of classical music, which is called "Klassik" in German. But that referred to those bands only which we today call "symphonic".
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lazland
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 14:15 |
KingCrimson250 wrote:
You know, it's interesting how Genesis never really approached the popularity of Yes and ELP during their prog days. Almost makes you wonder, if Genesis had never gone pop, would their prog days still be as well-known as they are now? Or would they be more of a "cult" favourite, along the lines of Camel and VDGG?
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That's an interesting thought and question. Purely hypothetical, of course, but if you look at the massive commercial success of Gabriel with, for example, Solsbury Hill and Games Without Frontiers in the early years of his solo career, not to say the huge success with So, I think that they would have broken into the arena level anyway. As previous posters and myself have said, they were massive in much of Europe during the early years, and surely that would have been replicated elsewhere?
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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 14:21 |
KingCrimson250 wrote:
You know, it's interesting how Genesis never really approached the popularity of Yes and ELP during their prog days. Almost makes you wonder, if Genesis had never gone pop, would their prog days still be as well-known as they are now? Or would they be more of a "cult" favourite, along the lines of Camel and VDGG?
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i don't agree with that. At least in Germany Genesis were as popular as Yes and ELP. My brother, who is ten years older than I am, went to concerts of them with a lot of friends several times.
Edited by BaldFriede - June 03 2009 at 14:22
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 14:35 |
Drummerboy wrote:
You are correct, King. I think partly Genesis was more of an art-rock outfit in their prog days, and did not aspire to play stadiums the way ELP did in their heyday. I saw them a number of times in their prog days, always in venues smaller than they could have taken. Maybe they wanted to be closer to their audience? |
Please, there is a logic, the members of the other Prog bands were proffessionals, well known in UK, for example Emerson (The Nice), Lake (The Gods/King Crimson) and Palmer (Arthur Brown) came from three strong bands, Jon Anderson and Steve Howe were well known, goes back to Giles, Giles & Fripp, Jethro Tull had two or three albums before Genesis became Prog.
Pink Floyd were togeher since 1967 and many more were in the same circumstances.
Who were Genesis members?......Kids who lexft school one year before releasing Trespass, with no previous history /because The Anon and The Garden Wall were school bands), so nobody knew them, they had to pay their fee to be known, but SEBTP reached a Gold album in USA, The Lamb was a world tour, they were Nº 1 in Belgium and Italy plus well known in Netherlands and Germany.
But again why?
Most surely because most British musicians were extremely popular in UK but not outside and for Italian public was the same to see Yes than to see Genesis, with the difference that they liked Genesis more.
And the pop connection didn't helped, i know a lot of Prog fans (many on this site) who refuse to listen Genesis because they grew with Collins POP and they hate it.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 03 2009 at 14:40
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 14:37 |
BaldFriede wrote:
I think it is important to keep in mind that the term "prog" or "progressive" was not used at all back then. In Germany some named it "Klassik Rock" because the structure of some of it reminded people of classical music, which is called "Klassik" in German. But that referred to those bands only which we today call "symphonic".
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I'm still trying to remember when we started using that term around these parts. I think in the late '70's we were calling it art rock or just good sh*t. 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Tristan
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 19:18 |
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Prog was on the FM radio stations in the late 60's and into the 70's. All of the AOR stations played Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, Tull, ELP......etc. You very seldom hear any prog on the FM stations today.
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 20:09 |
For what it's worth, I heard ELP's 'From the Beginning' on a rock radio station in Wyoming last week, while driving between Riverton and Cody. That may be the first time I've heard ELP on the radio in 20 years. But it's nice to know they still play this stuff somewhere!
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