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Posted: May 20 2010 at 09:07
I ran acrossed this article and behind the scenes video on Spin magazine. They describe them as a "prog-leaning indie pop band". Anyhow, in case anyone is interested, here is a link to the article and video.
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 07:21
Olaf said he's added them to the evaluation charts, maybe he typed the name in a different manner or maybe there was an error. I'll keep "monitoring" this, don't worry.
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Posted: March 15 2010 at 09:16
Planet Of Ice is definitely progressive, beside being very good. My impression is that this is the kind of music Mastodon would play were they not a metal band.
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Posted: March 14 2010 at 06:07
Let's all remember that the post-rock/math rock page on PA has bands that are neither post-rock nor math-rock for the simple reason that the genre was once called "Experimental/Post-Rock" and it was intended as a place to be for the progressive bands of the indie scene.
Since it was needed to acknowledge math-rock as a proper, mature genre on PA the "experimental" label was drawn out of this page's description and now only post-rock and math-rock bands are accepted, which is a shame, especially considering the bands left there which are neither. BTW it's very annoying to see people describing in their reviews what kind of post-rock are Tortoise. They aren't!
This has been a problem for the addition of borderline bands, and from my own experience I've had this problem with Eivind Aarset, which was luckily taken by Jazz-Rock and Discordless, which are pending indefinitely. Something needs to be done to address this issue.
This being said, I'll take a listen to this band's stuff soon
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Posted: March 14 2010 at 00:17
^ I just think you have a tendency to jump in to threads, say little sh*tty things to put people down, then split. At times like that, I often wonder what was the point, other than to just get under people's skin. I've done it before, myself, so I'm certainly not guiltless, but I have recognized that about myself and tried to improve. I am NOT the only one here who has noticed this about you, so it's not just 'in my head'. You do come off that way at times, and I simply didn't appreciate it this time around. I have nothing against you personally, and as far as I am concerned, the air is cleared.
Glad you agree that they might have a place here, anyway.
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Posted: March 13 2010 at 23:32
JLocke wrote:
Somehow, I'm not the least bit surprised that you would pop in here and not add anything of note whatsoever. You say you don't care one way or the other if they are added, yet you go out of your way to discredit my case for their inclusion?
I'm glad you love the band, but 'dude', it would sure be nice if you could refrain from more or less calling me ignorant on the subject of Post-Rock just because you don't share my opinion about one band.
But then again, asking you to not be an ass about something is like asking a dog not to be a dog, I suppose.
Not all of what I said is opinion. They ARE an indie rock band and musically they don't share much in common with proper post rock. Post rock is post rock, it's a set genre that like many other genres, has certain boundaries and limitations that make it post rock, before it might become an entirely different genre completely. Minus The Bear, musically, doesn't fit into the definition of post rock. It's just a matter of fact here.
As for their inclusion, of course that will be up to the opinion of Xover or Post Rock. Personally I may be inclined to agree with you they have potential for Xover due to their poppy-elements, experimental nature and somewhat quirky, different compositional style. They may not be "prog rock" as per what we traditionally see as prog rock, but rather literally progressive in the sense of moving forward. I guess Radiohead is a good example. Many tend to not see it as "prog rock" as such, but they innovated and pushed music into a modern, forward direction, much the same as Minus The Bear did for the 00s and now, as Radiohead did for the late 90s/early 00s, rather than the field of many "retro" prog bands who are "prog rock" but completely lack any degree of progressiveness at all (The Flower Kings et al).
And I meant by not caring or not was in that in the grand scheme of things it's not that important if they get added or not, but obviously I care enough to the extent I posted in here.
And I'll be the better man by refraining to comment and retaliating on your "asking you to not be an ass" comment and we'll leave it at that, as you can believe what you want, but many members around here do consider me a helpful, friendly member.
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Posted: March 13 2010 at 22:03
^xover should probably take a look first. I think that's well been established by this point. But do whatever you think fits. I don't know what I'm talking about, anyway.
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Posted: March 13 2010 at 21:59
i listened to the Planet of Ice album, and i am sure they won't fit in post rock. they do have some slight math hints here and there but not enough to be placed under post or math rock. so JLocke, would you like me to add them to progfreak charts for evaluation and see what other members say about them?
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Posted: March 13 2010 at 21:58
^ Well, as I said, xover is probably the better fit. But since the band DOES have Post-Rock elements in their music, I thought I would mention both sub-genres. Apparently I can't do that without being chastised.
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Posted: March 13 2010 at 21:47
Somehow, I'm not the least bit surprised that you would pop in here and not add anything of note whatsoever. You say you don't care one way or the other if they are added, yet you go out of your way to discredit my case for their inclusion?
I'm glad you love the band, but 'dude', it would sure be nice if you could refrain from more or less calling me ignorant on the subject of Post-Rock just because you don't share my opinion about one band.
But then again, asking you to not be an ass about something is like asking a dog not to be a dog, I suppose.
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Posted: March 13 2010 at 21:17
Minus the Bear aren't a post rock band by any stretch of the imagination. Me thinks you need to sit down with a whole bunch of post rock bands and listen to what the genre actually is. Having post rock elements doesn't qualify a band for post rock. A band needs to be POST ROCK to be post rock, not have a few elements here and there. I love Minus The Bear and I've listened to their stuff inside out backwards, but dude they're an indie rock band basically, that play around with math rock-ish elements and experimental rock elements.
How "prog" they are is perhaps questionable. I don't have any serious issues with the band being placed in the database, but nor am I strongly in favor of it either as to me (and probably most other fans) they are really an indie rock band that flirts with math rock-y and slightly proggy elements, and not a prog band that flirts with indie rock elements
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