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Joined: November 22 2009
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Posted: April 11 2010 at 19:04
I find it shocking the amount of support Bill Bruford gets in these polls. While an excellent drummer and I mean no disrespect, he is not even close to some of the other drummers on this list. I have been drumming for most of my life and I like different drummers for different things. Sometimes it's goove (like Jeff Pocaro), sometimes it's power (John Bonham), sometimes it's technical prowess (Neil Peart or Carl Palmer). My favorite drummer is Phil Collins for his abilty to make songs better. He has such an incredible feel for music. Over the years my son has taken drum lessons from some very good teachers, and intersetingly enough, two of them picked Collins as their favorite.
I love Bruford's work on Heart of the Sunrise, and a few others. I know this is an OPINION poll, but I would encourage listeners out there to go back and listen to Collins work again and see what you think.
By the way from a technical perspective, Buddy Rich blows them all away. Check him out on youtube.
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 03:01
Dark Matter wrote:
I find it shocking the amount of support Bill Bruford gets in these polls. While an excellent drummer and I mean no disrespect, he is not even close to some of the other drummers on this list. I have been drumming for most of my life and I like different drummers for different things. Sometimes it's goove (like Jeff Pocaro), sometimes it's power (John Bonham), sometimes it's technical prowess (Neil Peart or Carl Palmer). My favorite drummer is Phil Collins for his abilty to make songs better. He has such an incredible feel for music. Over the years my son has taken drum lessons from some very good teachers, and intersetingly enough, two of them picked Collins as their favorite.
I love Bruford's work on Heart of the Sunrise, and a few others. I know this is an OPINION poll, but I would encourage listeners out there to go back and listen to Collins work again and see what you think.
By the way from a technical perspective, Buddy Rich blows them all away. Check him out on youtube.
My last post links to a Buddy Rich drum solo; one of my favourites.
I also agree totally about Phil Collins. I think sometimes, folk who perhaps dont play the drums, or have a full understanding of whats involved, tend to overlook Phil Collins, because he's...well, he's Phil Collins, the man who produced a load of awful pop music in the 80's, and some find it difficult to be objective. If anyone doubts Collins skill, they really need not look any further that his performance on 'Unquiet slumbers...' 'Los Endos' 'Dukes Travels' or any number of Genesis or Brand X tracks. As you say, he feels the music and can effortlessly blend in or stand out, whichever the music demands.
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 07:52
The absence of several excellent drummers on the list has already been
noted. If this is supposed to be a list including all genres then where
are all those great jazz drummers? But even if we stick to good old prog
a lot of drummers are missing. Pierre Moerlen, Christian Vander, Simon
Phillips and Jaki Liebezeit have already been mentioned. Other excellent
drummers are Mani Neumeier (perhaps the most versatile drummer of all),
Christian Burchard, Freddy Setz,, Jan Fride, Ramesh Shotam, Jacky Bouladoux, Dennis
Chambers or Pip Pyle. To name but a few.
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 11:22
Several people have mentioned Phil C not getting the love he deserves cos of him and his other music. I too am guilty of not liking him much but his drumming is great and Chester too so I thought i would post one of their younger ish solos.
What I like about them is the solos are funky and enjoyable even if you forget the skill involved!
(Not sure this is the best example but its not as long as some of the others and they look youngish)..
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 11:40
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Several people have mentioned Phil C not getting the love he deserves cos of him and his other music. I too am guilty of not liking him much but his drumming is great and Chester too so I thought i would post one of their younger ish solos.
What I like about them is the solos are funky and enjoyable even if you forget the skill involved!
(Not sure this is the best example but its not as long as some of the others and they look youngish)..
Maybe someone knows when this is from?
I'm not 100% certain, but I think that may be from the Mama or Abacab tour. That duet is virtually the same in structure to the one they performed on the Invisible Touch tour.
Chester and Phil always worked brilliantly together. In some ways I think Chester was a better match for Collins than Bruford. However, my favourite duel performance from Genesis was Collins and Bruford playing the instrumental section of The Cinema Show, on the Trick of the Tail tour. I went to a Q'n'A session with Bill Bruford recently, and he showed the film of that, without the silly sepia film that accompanys it on the concert that was issued on the last release of the TOTT album, so you could see them working together. Phenomenol!
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 13:13
Very difficult. I love Collins, Peart, Bruford, and many of the others.
But my vote goes to the Poor Boy himself, the one & only Mr Moon, without whom rock drumming as an art form probably would have been postponed for many years.
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 13:52
I would add Alex Holzwart and Gavin Harrison as well as Michael Narada Walden (Mahavishu), Andy Ward (Camel) and Gary O'Toole (Steve Hackett solo)... drummers who really impress me. From the list probably Neil, his drumming works on every level, sheer perfection to me.
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 15:40
Um.. although I voted for Bruford, I'm under the assumption that there are invisible parenthesis here: "Best Drummer of all times! (prog rock only and a few others).
I don't see Weckyl. I don't see Chambers. And about a hundred more who make Peart look like a beginner.
Peart fans. You probably don't know this but Dave Weckyl and Dennis Chambers are incredibly gifted jazz drummers.
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Joined: July 16 2004
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 15:47
Bruford wrote:
Um.. although I voted for Bruford, I'm under the assumption that there are invisible parenthesis here: "Best Drummer of all times! (prog rock only and a few others).
I don't see Weckyl. I don't see Chambers. And about a hundred more who make Peart look like a beginner.
Peart fans. You probably don't know this but Dave Weckyl and Dennis Chambers are incredibly gifted jazz drummers.
Yes we (they) do. But this is a Prog Rock site and besides most Jazz drummers can't rock!!!!
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Joined: February 24 2010
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 15:52
Oh I'm sorry, I thought the title was "Best Drummer of all times!" And I'm willing to bet you the farm that MOST jazz drummers can play rock (i.e Bruford) and MOST rock drummers can't play jazz.
Joined: October 25 2005
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 15:53
This was extremely difficult to choose. I ended up picking my favorite on the list (Danny Carey) instead of who I thought was best. I think it's widely accepted that Buddy Rich is the best drummer of all time, so that fact that he's scored so low makes me thing everyone else is picking their favorite drummers as well. Like Bruford above me said, drummers like Dave Weckyl and Dennis Chambers make Peart look like a retard using his big set to compensate (I'm saying this as someone who admits he's miles beneath Peart). My favorite drummer these days is Gavin Harrison, who's also omitted from the list, but not only has inhuman control and finesse, but also some of the most creative ideas in drumming, playing rhythms as mathematical as Haake's yet somehow making it sound emotional.
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 16:23
On this list, Bruford, because he's equally adept at rock and jazz, has played with multiple groupings, and I've seen him several times live to witness first-hand.
Had I nominated my own, I'd have gone with Art Blakely.
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