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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10739 |
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It would probably be best if people didn't add albums until they are on sale, obviously that is the root of these problems.
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snobb ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3584 |
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On their label site it was announced yesterday this album is officially on sales from Friday,Nov 12.
http://www.profoundlorerecords.com/ So, all ratings (and even reviews - we have review)made before that date looks as not very legal? |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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There are 11 ratings for Agalloch's future release now. Some of them are * ratings from people who are evidently trying to push up other albums in the chart, like these guys:
ten.years.after (his only login was to give those ratings, he didn't come back) and tortoisetree.
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17552 |
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^Unbridled enthusiasm. I get one of their tenets for "masterpiece" is not that the album must hold up well over time
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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AGALLOCH Marrow Of The Spirit ratings onlychronological order | showing rating only
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Any Colour You Like ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 15 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12294 |
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Thanks guys.
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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The policy has been stated a few times. Essentially, we'll only accept reviews of genuine promotional copies prior to the release date, not leaks or pirate copies. Enforcement of this is of course not an exact science, but it generally works OK.
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Evolver ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams Joined: October 22 2005 Location: The Idiocracy Status: Offline Points: 5484 |
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Back when I managed a CD store, it was not unusual to get promo copies before the release date, for in-store play. I don't know how they would feel about pre-release reviews, but I doubt any band or label wouldn't want the publicity.
I suppose a site policy on this should be decided upon & posted.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Rating deleted. If the guy has an official preview copy, it would be if he would actually review it.
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Any Colour You Like ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 15 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12294 |
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Can an admin get rid of the Agalloch rating please, the album is still over a month away from being released.
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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I'd agree but tuxon but we do have to live in PA...and I thought it was against the rules to review albums before they are officially released.
And yes Ben, if someone would illegally obtain Agalloch they must be nuked ![]() |
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tuxon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
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The question remains how does an album get out in the open without the band somehow releasing it.
leaking is almost never accidental, more often completely deliberate. why should we care. let the bands involved themselves take steps to avoid leakings, we should be free to listen and review any album we have.
pre-release leakage, doesn't mean the album is any different than after release, and as the artist has an interest in leaking (why else would they leak it) why should we be concerned about it.
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Any Colour You Like ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 15 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12294 |
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^^^ All those ratings should be nuked unless:
It's a pre-release special that's sanctioned by the band/label. |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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This album will be released in late November, but it already has a rating.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Even when I agree with you and rather wait until the release date (I posted the bio and review of Anton Roolaart exactly at 8:00 am of the date of release, even when Anton sent me the album several days before, the effect was great, we have the first OFFICIAL bio and review in the net), the pre-release reviews have been discussed and accepted with limits.
I have received lots of albums before being released, specially from Symphonic bands that want to be included ASAP, so if by request of the band I have to write a review before the official release, I make sure to mention that the album was provided by the band, and to make the most impartial review I'm able to do..
Iván
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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I receive some CDs well before the release date due to reasons which will remain private. But I always make sure that the reviews are not published before the release date. So the best rule to avoid any conflicts with the record labels and bands is not to accept any reviews before the release date. Simple. |
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Marty McFly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
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^ And in these cases, band cannot admit that it was its leakage. So we're not sure if it's leak or illegal downloading. Difficult.
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38702 |
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Ivan is right.
Just an inconsequential note: aside from promo copies, sometimes bands and/or PR people deliberately leak the music to create a buzz/ advance interest. |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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If it's illegal, please omit posting it, because Prog Archives doesnt support or admit illegal downloading.
Please if you like Prog Archives and want to keep it open, avoid comments that could place us in risk.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 21 2010 at 17:06 |
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EatThatPhonebook ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2009 Location: Norwich, VT Status: Offline Points: 788 |
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I was able to get a copy of "The Incident" ten days before it's official release. I won't tell you how.
It is possible that these people did the same thing I did.
Edited by EatThatPhonebook - May 20 2010 at 12:18 |
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