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Posted: August 06 2010 at 09:52
You get me wrong; I am not saying he is not a good drummer. All I am saying is that it is not "Peart", then nothing for a mile and then others. That is simply not true. Others are just as good as he. And that's a fact.,
no nicholas barker in the pole? tst tst you do not listen to black metal.................
i dont say is the best (i´m not an expert) but this guy is pretty good to me (just listen to the drums on Queen of winter throned)
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Posted: August 06 2010 at 11:44
BaldFriede wrote:
You get me wrong; I am not saying he is not a good drummer. All I am saying is that it is not "Peart", then nothing for a mile and then others. That is simply not true. Others are just as good as he. And that's a fact.,
Agreed. Many others do approach his talent.
I know you are a fan Pierre Moerlen - there is another one who should be considered one of the best.
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Posted: August 06 2010 at 11:58
as a drummer myself i believe that the bands that they have played count a lot, many have listed very good drummers but that have never been in a Master Band (you know which) i mean you cant say Colaiuta is the best because he hasn't played in anything major (zappa albums only).... well that's how i look at it and besides why God Palmer is way way back in votes c'mon TANK anyone...
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Posted: August 06 2010 at 12:26
rushaholic wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
You get me wrong; I am not saying he is not a good
drummer. All I am saying is that it is not "Peart", then nothing for a
mile and then others. That is simply not true. Others are just as good
as he. And that's a fact.,
Agreed. Many others do approach his talent.
I know you are a fan Pierre Moerlen - there is another one who should be considered one of the best.
What i am a fan of is not important at all, and I certainly would not call
Moerlen "the best", for reasons already given. There are dozens of
excellent drummers. calling someone "the best" is a mixture of fanboyism
and ignorance.
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Posted: August 06 2010 at 12:58
progman18 wrote:
... i mean you cant say Colaiuta is the best because he hasn't played in anything major (zappa albums only)...
Actually, Colaiuta has played with a LOT of other artists, all over the place! But one of the best performances I've seen of Vinnie's has to be with Jeff Beck, Live at Ronnie Scotts. Check out that DVD; if you're a Jeff Beck fan, you'll love it, if you're a Vinnie Colaiuta fan, you'll love him even more, and if you're a heterosexual, red-blooded American (or even if your NOT American!) male, you'll LOVE to watch Tal Wilkenfeld on bass -- she's REALLY GOOD, and she's real cute, too!
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Posted: August 07 2010 at 12:16
akajazzman wrote:
I heard a great drummer once, went by the code name "Twostikks"
"fanboyism and ignorance" seems a little harsh on people just musing about who they think is the best drummer. Oh, BaldFriede wrote that, never mind.
There is a difference between "best" and "favourite". If someone mistakes the latter for the first, how shall I call it? How do you measure "best"? Speed, complexity, power, variety? To quote organ player Barbara Dennerlein: "Music is a communication, not a competition".
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 09:04
twostikks wrote:
progman18 wrote:
... i mean you cant say Colaiuta is the best because he hasn't played in anything major (zappa albums only)...
Actually, Colaiuta has played with a LOT of other artists, all over the place! But one of the best performances I've seen of Vinnie's has to be with Jeff Beck, Live at Ronnie Scotts. Check out that DVD; if you're a Jeff Beck fan, you'll love it, if you're a Vinnie Colaiuta fan, you'll love him even more, and if you're a heterosexual, red-blooded American (or even if your NOT American!) male, you'll LOVE to watch Tal Wilkenfeld on bass -- she's REALLY GOOD, and she's real cute, too!
Peace!
Gary
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 09:32
BaldFriede wrote:
rushaholic wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
You get me wrong; I am not saying he is not a good
drummer. All I am saying is that it is not "Peart", then nothing for a
mile and then others. That is simply not true. Others are just as good
as he. And that's a fact.,
Agreed. Many others do approach his talent.
I know you are a fan Pierre Moerlen - there is another one who should be considered one of the best.
What i am a fan of is not important at all, and I certainly would not call
Moerlen "the best", for reasons already given. There are dozens of
excellent drummers. calling someone "the best" is a mixture of fanboyism
and ignorance.
So musing on, for example, the greatest (ie "the best") composer,
scientist, painter (artist) or architect of all times is an immature
practice?
Odd that. I imagine that wherever people have got
together for intelligent discussion, ever since we have been able to
communicate intelligently presumably, debating who is the "best" has
been pretty high on the topic list; best farmer, brewer, weaver, etc
etc. In fact this "immature" practice has probably driven excellence
since time immemorial.
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 11:41
Tony R wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
rushaholic wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
You get me wrong; I am not saying he is not a good
drummer. All I am saying is that it is not "Peart", then nothing for a
mile and then others. That is simply not true. Others are just as good
as he. And that's a fact.,
Agreed. Many others do approach his talent.
I know you are a fan Pierre Moerlen - there is another one who should be considered one of the best.
What i am a fan of is not important at all, and I certainly would not call
Moerlen "the best", for reasons already given. There are dozens of
excellent drummers. calling someone "the best" is a mixture of fanboyism
and ignorance.
So musing on, for example, the greatest (ie "the best") composer,
scientist, painter (artist) or architect of all times is an immature
practice?
Odd that. I imagine that wherever people have got
together for intelligent discussion, ever since we have been able to
communicate intelligently presumably, debating who is the "best" has
been pretty high on the topic list; best farmer, brewer, weaver, etc
etc. In fact this "immature" practice has probably driven excellence
since time immemorial.
How do you measure "best" when it comes to arts? By "arts" I mean everything that includes - painting, sculpting, playing music, composing music, acting, writing and so on? It all comes down to personal tastes, nothing more.
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 11:51
^ There is technique of course and skill levels that can be measured. There is also certain level of experience that can be measured as well. I am not sure you can measure one guy as THE best but you can certainly separate the men from the boys so to speak.
In my opinion there are two guys who certainly are responsible for most of the guys we are speaking about in this thread. The prototype of the modern drummer at which we all gape at in awe. That would be Buddy Rich and Louie Bellson.
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