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jammun
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Topic: Why is it so cold out here? Posted: August 21 2010 at 00:39 |
I never know where to put these proto-prog questions. Move as necessary.
I've been listening to Side 1 of The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. It's been a while. That first side is a coherent suite of songs, all dealing with variations of hellfire, with themes (lyrical, structural, melodical) that run throughout the side. I'm not aware of any earlier album that attempts this (Beach Boys surf stuff does not count). I'm way too old to be searching for the mother lode of prog, and we know that's a fool's game anyway, but it just struck me while listening to this album that this may be unique, as in first ever.
Are there other, earlier, albums that are mining this vein?
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At least one side of album must have lyrical thematic consistency.
At least one side of album must have intertwining and reimagined (within context of song) melodic consistency.
At least one side of album must have screaming vocalist (just kidding).
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himtroy
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Posted: August 21 2010 at 12:06 |
I always thought this as well. I love how they bring back the same parts in different songs. Like the "why is it so cold out here!" Also, since you appear to be an Arthur Brown fan, have you ever noticed that at about 4:00 in Come and Buy they have the EXACT same melody as the end of Winter by Atomic Rooster(at the end it's even the same horns/same exact sound ....must be a Vincent Crane part.
Quite strange
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jammun
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Posted: August 21 2010 at 14:53 |
Nice. Thanks for the link to the Rooster song. I used to have that album many years ago but it's gone missing. Vincent must have particularly liked that little bit of melody.
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himtroy
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 01:04 |
Yeah, my post was rather off topic, but not NEARLY enough people ever bring up Arthur Brown so I had to say it to someone.
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 01:55 |
jammun wrote:
I never know where to put these proto-prog questions. Move as necessary. |
Proto and Prog Related questions or topics should go in the Proto and Prog Related Lounge. 
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jammun
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 10:40 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
jammun wrote:
I never know where to put these proto-prog questions. Move as necessary. |
Proto and Prog Related questions or topics should go in the Proto and Prog Related Lounge.  |
With Arthur, ya never know where he belongs
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jammun
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 13:32 |
himtroy wrote:
Yeah, my post was rather off topic, but not NEARLY enough people ever bring up Arthur Brown so I had to say it to someone. |
Fact is, Arthur Brown is worthy to mentioned in the same sentence as Fripp, Emerson, whoever. Obviously, my post was referencing that Crazy World album, but Galactic Zoo is nothing but 5 star, and the rest ain't too shabby, as they say. Not underrated, just unknown.
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 15:47 |
Interesting thread. I think I'm gonna have to delve deeper into this crazy world of his.....
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himtroy
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 21:38 |
Everyone needs to. The Crazy World of Arthur Brown is an amazing example of that 60's heavily acid soaked sound, with his very unique voice thrown in, and a lot more direction than much of that music had (even though I probably still prefer long psychedelic jams).
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Posted: August 23 2010 at 19:00 |
himtroy wrote:
Everyone needs to. The Crazy World of Arthur Brown is an amazing example of that 60's heavily acid soaked sound, with his very unique voice thrown in, and a lot more direction than much of that music had (even though I probably still prefer long psychedelic jams). |
It's a shame that we only think "Arthur Brown", when the scene in London had a few other people that also deserve the mention.
We don't listen to it much, but Vincent Crane also spent time with "The Edgar Broughton Band" in between his other projects, and that is also one band that is so far out there, a la Peter Hammill, that no one here is capable or willing to listen to ... because it is so weird, strange, far out ... off the wall ...
But things like OORA are exceptional ... except that when you get done all you can say is ... what the heck is that all about? ... and that scares a lot of people, specially here, that would rather go listen to metal prog! They wouldn't understand anything that is really progressive anyway!
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Posted: August 23 2010 at 21:03 |
moshkito wrote:
himtroy wrote:
Everyone needs to. The Crazy World of Arthur Brown is an amazing example of that 60's heavily acid soaked sound, with his very unique voice thrown in, and a lot more direction than much of that music had (even though I probably still prefer long psychedelic jams). |
It's a shame that we only think "Arthur Brown", when the scene in London had a few other people that also deserve the mention.
We don't listen to it much, but Vincent Crane also spent time with "The Edgar Broughton Band" in between his other projects, and that is also one band that is so far out there, a la Peter Hammill, that no one here is capable or willing to listen to ... because it is so weird, strange, far out ... off the wall ...
But things like OORA are exceptional ... except that when you get done all you can say is ... what the heck is that all about? ... and that scares a lot of people, specially here, that would rather go listen to metal prog! They wouldn't understand anything that is really progressive anyway! |
Eh...I think people into 60's psych rock are pretty aware of the London scene and the time period. This topic just happens to be about Arthur Brown.....theres many people very into the 60's psychedelic scene, definitely including the London scene. In fact I'd say the London scene and the West Coast American scene are probably the two most known.
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Posted: August 23 2010 at 21:16 |
I like how this instantly became an Arthur Brown appreciation thread, rather than about what the original poster intended.  I absolutely adore "The Crazy World..." It's still one of the most unique and fun albums in my collection. It's a shame Brown could never equal that level of intensity again (I know some people praise his work with Kingdom Come, but it just doesn't do it for me.)
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Posted: August 23 2010 at 22:55 |
moshkito wrote:
himtroy wrote:
Everyone needs to. The Crazy World of Arthur Brown is an amazing example of that 60's heavily acid soaked sound, with his very unique voice thrown in, and a lot more direction than much of that music had (even though I probably still prefer long psychedelic jams). |
It's a shame that we only think "Arthur Brown", when the scene in London had a few other people that also deserve the mention.
We don't listen to it much, but Vincent Crane also spent time with "The Edgar Broughton Band" in between his other projects, and that is also one band that is so far out there, a la Peter Hammill, that no one here is capable or willing to listen to ... because it is so weird, strange, far out ... off the wall ...
But things like OORA are exceptional ... except that when you get done all you can say is ... what the heck is that all about? ... and that scares a lot of people, specially here, that would rather go listen to metal prog! They wouldn't understand anything that is really progressive anyway! |
OORA is excellent, fantastic vinyl presentation too
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 01:53 |
thellama73 wrote:
I like how this instantly became an Arthur Brown appreciation thread, rather than about what the original poster intended. 
I absolutely adore "The Crazy World..." It's still one of the most unique and fun albums in my collection. It's a shame Brown could never equal that level of intensity again (I know some people praise his work with Kingdom Come, but it just doesn't do it for me.)
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I had nothing to contribute to the original post, and didn't post at all for a while because I didn't want to continue to be off topic, but then there were no posts so I figured I might as well. It bumped the topic at least.
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 05:11 |
moshkito wrote:
himtroy wrote:
Everyone needs to. The Crazy World of Arthur Brown is an amazing example of that 60's heavily acid soaked sound, with his very unique voice thrown in, and a lot more direction than much of that music had (even though I probably still prefer long psychedelic jams). |
It's a shame that we only think "Arthur Brown", when the scene in London had a few other people that also deserve the mention.
We don't listen to it much, but Vincent Crane also spent time with "The Edgar Broughton Band" in between his other projects, and that is also one band that is so far out there, a la Peter Hammill, that no one here is capable or willing to listen to ... because it is so weird, strange, far out ... off the wall ...
But things like OORA are exceptional ... except that when you get done all you can say is ... what the heck is that all about? ... and that scares a lot of people, specially here, that would rather go listen to metal prog! They wouldn't understand anything that is really progressive anyway! |
Goodness me, this post is full of judgment about a lot of people you don't even know. Don't know why you bothered mentioning it, if we're all so narrow minded musically. What a lovely way to introduce people to (possibly for them) new music......
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 08:05 |
Can i just add i heard this album as a kid and I was scarred for life haha
never forgot these bits to present day
'when you see a fire burning inside your minds eye.... come and see, come and buy, i can show you love... a burning desire!'
all of 'Fire!'
'I put a Spell on you because you're mine'
'why is is so cold out here/... so cold! blahdeblahde blahde in my brain... bla de blah drive me insane.. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!'
yes, once heard never forgotten
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 16:34 |
Kojak wrote:
Goodness me, this post is full of judgment about a lot of people you don't even know. Don't know why you bothered mentioning it, if we're all so narrow minded musically. What a lovely way to introduce people to (possibly for them) new music......
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Sad that is all you can see in the post.
It's like saying that Vincent can't play with anyone else, and he was a major part of the other band too!
I did not specifically care for the other stuff that much, though and I can not tell you why ... and will have to listen to it again. I had followed Arthur Brown and even bought the Kingdom Come album just as it came out, and I can safely say I "didn't get it" (in terms of listening to it) ... but I enjoyed it. And would like to listen to it again and compare what I thought then and think now.
It was simply "different", and actually reminds me of listening to Peter Hammill the first time. You come out of it going ... wow ... this is either really good, or this guy is out of it. When you hear another piece by them, you KNOW the difference.
And ... since we are in the subject of Arthur, not that sure that many would appreciate the neat things he did with Klaus Schulze ... which are excellent ... but probably too arty and strange and weird compared to this discussion?
I'm not about a "band" ... I'm usually about the artist ... and Brown as an artist is not a minor one. And neither is Crane and the Broughton's in my book!
And these kinds of people represent what "progressive" was and should be all about ... courageous people that did things ... totally out of the partk and norm of the day ... and did them well! I hope you do not fail to catch my reverence in this matter!
Edited by moshkito - August 24 2010 at 16:37
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:50 |
Veering a bit off the original topic here, but the Kingdom Come albums are all excellent and unique. I'm not sure how anyone could not rate Galactic Zoo Dossier right up there with the best of the era. Throw in the next two and clearly ol' Arthur was moving into canonization with the best.
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:54 |
As I said, I don't really care for the Kingdom Come records, but Moshkito brings up a good point about Brown's work with Klaus Schulze. He makes the Dune album. Also, he is pretty much the only worthwhile thing on Alan Parsons' Tales of Mystery and Imagination (I don't like that album)
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Posted: August 25 2010 at 18:33 |
Kojak wrote:
Goodness me, this post is full of judgment about a lot of people you don't even know. Don't know why you bothered mentioning it, if we're all so narrow minded musically. What a lovely way to introduce people to (possibly for them) new music......
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You know ... sometimes a comment like this simply does not give credit where credit was due ...
I had in my collection many of these albums and remember mostly very fondly ... specially The Edgar Broughton Band ... and I was THERE at the time these things were coming out, and I can tell you that many people "didn't get it", and many other people were calling it "bad" and others simply thought that Willie Nelson was more important!
Far be it for me to tell them they are wrong, and don't have a right to live, but if there is one thing in this board that is NEVER true is that "we're so narrow minded musically" ... because the discussions and knowledge in this board ... is pretty much SECOND TO NONE!
We all have opinions and stories and experiences to tell ... if your preference is for thinking that only yours is valid and others aren't, please be big enough to state so!
Edited by moshkito - August 25 2010 at 18:39
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