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Textbook 
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 Posted: November 03 2010 at 20:11 |
I thought the same but was too polite to say so.
UNTIL NOW
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jammun
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 20:22 |
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If we look at the history of criminalization of marijuana, it (criminalization) was clearly designed as a way to marginalize minorities (blacks, back in the day). I would think any competent politician, in these times, would be fully in favor of legalization, because them who are stoned (of which I was once one) are not exactly inclined to action, other than to put another Totino's in the oven. Mass inertia would favor any politician, though they are too stupid to realize it.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 21:42 |
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According to a majority of Californian's...NO!
If it failed in Cali what hope is there for the rest of the country!?
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Textbook
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 21:50 |
Some people are calling it a victory though because it was 43% yes. That's pretty high and it's not outlandish to suggest that the numbers will keep groing and in 5-10 years it'll be more than 50% for.
PS Of course they just make up the results of those referendums anyway ;)
Edited by Textbook - November 03 2010 at 21:50
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 21:55 |
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Yeah I heard that on the radio
"The pro legalization side almost took this as a victory due to how many DID vote yes"
Obviously the weed talking!
And seriously, I've been saying for years its just a matter of time. Maybe years but it is happening.
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jammun
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 21:55 |
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As was the case in the '70s, we all gettin' stoned regardless.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Textbook
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 22:27 |
Mind you, we've already been through this in NZ and if America follows us, it won't happen. (I'm not blowing my country's horn here, NZ really does have a history of being politically progressive. First country to give women the vote, the settlements with the Maori, the anti-nuclear stance, two female leaders, electing a transsexual into parliament etc etc)
When I was a university student, legalisation was going to happen "any minute now" in NZ and it was definitely coming and everyone was going to vote for it and it was quite the hot political topic. And now it's completely off the radar and doesn't seem to be coming at all.
What happened? In a large part I think it was that various claims people made about how benign weed is turned out to be just not true. The crime reduction thing is pretty stupid and nobody in authority seems to back it- as said before, criminal gangs don't give up and go away when a racket dries out, they move into other areas and diversify. Also I think people in general just grew up about the issue. I know some one time pro-weed campaigners who are very embarrassed by it now. People aren't responsible- if they were we wouldn't require so many laws and checks and balances. The idea that people in general will use weed responsibly is laughable.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 22:31 |
Good lord Textbook you sound just like Ben Guess all you Kiwi's really are like that!   And I really have no clue as to what will happen. Even though I'd wanna say "Its a matter of time" as I also said if California can't accept it there's not much hope Also all the stoners woke up 12 hours ago to realize "Whoooooooa its the third? Dude, did we miss the vote?"
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jammun
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 22:37 |
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In CA, if Jerry Brown can't manage to push it through this term, it just ain't gonna happen anywhere, certainly not in Iowa, where BTW they grow and smoke an awful lot of dope.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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The T
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 22:38 |
Textbook likes freedom only when it matches his ideas... He's so anti-religion and so not-let-they-tell-you-what-to-believe in that regard, but then he also says "people are not responsible"... Who is going to control people? You?
Sometimes I agree with some oversight (specially of corporations) but overseeing every private action by individuals is disgusting..
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Textbook
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 22:48 |
I agree that if it didn't happen in CA it's not going to happen anywhere.
The T: People who are high function poorly compared to those who are not. This is a bad thing. The end. Doesn't really have anything to do with "my ideas and freedom".
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 22:51 |
 jammun wrote:
In CA, if Jerry Brown can't manage to push it through this term, it just ain't gonna happen anywhere, certainly not in Iowa, where BTW they grow and smoke an awful lot of dope. |
Yes. And good to see Brown still hanging around! Dead Kennedy's prediction never did happen though, did it?
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The T
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 22:55 |
Textbook wrote:
I agree that if it didn't happen in CA it's not going to happen anywhere.
The T: People who are high function poorly compared to those who are not. This is a bad thing. The end. Doesn't really have anything to do with "my ideas and freedom". |
People who are on depression pills also perform more poorly than people that are not on them. Should we make them illegal? Jail the depressed?
Who decides what is "good" or a "bad thing"? You?
Reasonable people will not use weed when going to work and perform. Idiotic people will find ways to screw up their works even when totally sober.
You're all for a control-society the likes of Orwell or even Anthem... a bunch of hopeless fools told what to do by a group of wise men... Not good.
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Proletariat
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 23:31 |
JJLehto wrote:
According to a majority of Californian's...NO!
If it failed in Cali what hope is there for the rest of the country!?
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In colorado we have one town that has legalized it... and yes the courts may strike it down and say a town can't make that decision but marijuana is very acceptable here and I could easily see colorado being the first to legalize
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Textbook
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 23:34 |
T: Where am I "deciding" that people functioning poorly is a bad thing? Are you saying it's not?
And your example of the depression pills is embarrassing. Obviously the idea is that these people would be performing even worse without them.
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Proletariat
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 23:38 |
Textbook wrote:
Mind you, we've already been through this in NZ and if America follows us, it won't happen. (I'm not blowing my country's horn here, NZ really does have a history of being politically progressive. First country to give women the vote, the settlements with the Maori, the anti-nuclear stance, two female leaders, electing a transsexual into parliament etc etc)
When I was a university student, legalisation was going to happen "any minute now" in NZ and it was definitely coming and everyone was going to vote for it and it was quite the hot political topic. And now it's completely off the radar and doesn't seem to be coming at all.
What happened? In a large part I think it was that various claims people made about how benign weed is turned out to be just not true. The crime reduction thing is pretty stupid and nobody in authority seems to back it- as said before, criminal gangs don't give up and go away when a racket dries out, they move into other areas and diversify. Also I think people in general just grew up about the issue. I know some one time pro-weed campaigners who are very embarrassed by it now. People aren't responsible- if they were we wouldn't require so many laws and checks and balances. The idea that people in general will use weed responsibly is laughable. |
ok, but NZ dosent have huge swaths of the worlds most productive farmland in areas where marijuana is native and where hundreds of farmers are barely making ends meet. the american midwest would benifit enormously from legalization as it would provide farmers with an enormously lucradive cash crop. the amount of economic stimulus would be amazing.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Tapfret
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 23:39 |
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Huge victory for the cartels operating in the Sierra foothills. Almost lost their biggest market.
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The Doctor
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 23:40 |
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While I moderately support such an idea, I think the US has a lot bigger problems than whether I can get my quarter bag from the local Walgreens. Who knows, maybe the democrats would have fared better yesterday if more people had put down their joints and their bag of cheetos long enough and gone out and voted. I say let's focus on the real issues first, then we can worry about gettin our buzz on.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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jammun
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 00:02 |
Proletariat wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
According to a majority of Californian's...NO!
If it failed in Cali what hope is there for the rest of the country!?
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In colorado we have one town that has legalized it... and yes the courts may strike it down and say a town can't make that decision but marijuana is very acceptable here and I could easily see colorado being the first to legalize |
For future reference, just where in CO are you? 
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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The T
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 00:31 |
Textbook wrote:
T: Where am I "deciding" that people functioning poorly is a bad thing? Are you saying it's not?
And your example of the depression pills is embarrassing. Obviously the idea is that these people would be performing even worse without them. |
The example was not the best really, but it stands that you want people to function well. You're saying that high people function poorly and that's an argument against legalization. That's an argument against people using weed when they shouldn't be, for sure, but not a proper argument against legalization. If you say that people are not responsible if left to their own devices, you're arguing in favor of control, aren't you?
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