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    Posted: December 10 2010 at 06:25
After all the backlash of Dream Theater's split with Mike, who's side is everyone on.
 
I can sympathize with Mike, but to be honest he sounds to be a wee bit overdramatic. People leave bands all the time, but the way he did it made it sound sooooo sad and melancholic, when in fact it was just some guy leaving a band. It's only a band for Pete's sake.
 
Everyone was acting like he died, and to be honest I think it's going to be interesting to hear a new Dream Theater album, and isn't that what Prog really is about, moving foward and doing something different every time. And to be honest...I was a bit annoyed with Mike the past few years, trying to suck up to record companies and trying to be liked all the time.
 
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Points: 14693 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 06:32
The only thoughts I have on the matter pretty much coincide with yours - at the time, he even used the quote from 'The Spirit Carries On':

Quote "Move on, be brave
Don't weep at my grave
Because I am no longer here
But please never let
Your memory of me disappear"


As you say - a tad melodramatic & at the end of the day a drummer has left a rock band...


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Points: 20070 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 06:34
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

at the end of the day a drummer has left a rock band...

 
I seem to remember being slaughtered for saying that at the time.
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Unfortunately, DT do seem to attract fanaticism; there are times I think if it weren't for Dream Theater I'd have nothing to do as a moderator

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Points: 310 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 06:36
I know he's a great drummer, but their are other great drummers. It's a bit like Iron Maiden, when Clive Burr left, Nicko allowed the band to be alot more dynamic and even technical, and used his ability to a great advantage, having made 4 great albums with him from until the 90's.
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I still love the band and always will, but you know, even though being a pretty big fan, I didnt care that much, I even put up a post on this site about his replacement the morning of the "event"
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There's no doubt about it, DT contain some pretty major talent, but I honestly think the result is less than the sum of its parts - in recent years (and this is coming from a DT fan...) I personally feel they've become stale; maybe some new blood in the ranks will give their creativity a bit of a kick

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I loved Octavarium, but their last 2 weren't the best (their was some good moments on em), and I agree, a new drummer mit create a new spark
 
And I think it's Roadrunners fault, they were trying to become a wee bit too mainstream (altho thats not always a bad thing, Genesis did pretty alright for themselves in the 80's)
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Points: 14693 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 08:06
I think the track 'Octavarium' itself was pretty good (aka "Shine on you crazy drummer"), but can honestly say that's the first I liked since 'Six Degrees...' & not keen on anything since.

Bring back Derek Sherinian!

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"Just some guy leaving a band?"

Come on man, DT toured pretty extensively. For Portnoy, most of his life would have been devoted to the band for over twenty years. I think he's earnt the right make a melodramatic exit speech!
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As of lately, I don't care much about DT. Maybe a new drummer will be a good thing, if they choose wisely, and bring new dynamics into their mix, something they urgently need.
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Points: 1003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 10:34
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Maybe a new drummer will be a good thing, if they choose wisely, and bring new dynamics into their mix, something they urgently need.


That's what I'm hoping.
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Points: 5575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 13:49
i'm guessing still no word on his replacement then?

And yes i agree with you a very big deal was made, i honestly thought it was great news after hearing a nightmare to remember, i'm a metal fan but that was such a poor pseudo thrash effort and that was all i could see the band churning out in the future if portnoy had stuck around
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i cant take sides. I like MP and i like DT, im interested to see what he does in the future (Morse, Morse, Portnoy, LaRue/Transatlantic 4/maybe a solo record?) and i also am excited for DT11. So i say down the road, Portnoy leaving will be seen as a good thing
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Points: 18887 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 16:13
Originally posted by Stooge Stooge wrote:

Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Maybe a new drummer will be a good thing, if they choose wisely, and bring new dynamics into their mix, something they urgently need.


That's what I'm hoping.
 
Yeah .... but the new dynamics has to get away from the guitar heavy medal thing, which I think it what Mike was getting tired of. And in the end, the saddest part of it all? ... Iron Maiden was making DT sound stupid and repetitive on the stage!
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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 00:42
Originally posted by Majikthise Majikthise wrote:

"Just some guy leaving a band?"

Come on man, DT toured pretty extensively. For Portnoy, most of his life would have been devoted to the band for over twenty years. I think he's earnt the right make a melodramatic exit speech!



Like many, many musicians in the history of rock music?  And then we shall all cringe at the overflowing melodrama emanating from the frequent line up changes in rock bands, right? But, of course, everything DT do is absolutely justified and unfairly criticized. Wink
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Points: 85 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 01:48

Did I say that? DT have release plenty of tripe along with their good material, and haven't done much of note lately. Doesn't mean the dude hasn't put in a sh*tload of time into it, and therefore it's fair enough for him want to outline the reasons why he left.

You and the OP are just being needlessly reductive.
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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 02:19
Originally posted by Majikthise Majikthise wrote:

Did I say that? DT have release plenty of tripe along with their good material, and haven't done much of note lately. 

A startling admission!

Originally posted by Majikthise Majikthise wrote:

Doesn't mean the dude hasn't put in a sh*tload of time into it, and therefore it's fair enough for him want to outline the reasons why he left.

You and the OP are just being needlessly reductive.

Nobody said he's not entitled to say something about his departure. But quoting Spirit Carries On sounds incredibly corny to me.
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Points: 310 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 13:07
some people take other peoples lives too seriously, thats all I;m saying. Their was also alot of backlash from Dream Theater fans about Avenged Sevenfold, which is quite odd. I like Avenged Sevenfold, not as much as Dream Theater, their still a great band, and at times they get criticised just for being popular
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