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jammun 
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Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449 |
 Posted: January 26 2011 at 23:53 |
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 00:00 |
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I thought you liked beer Anton, you know like a man
 It has to be good though. Another one we highly regret trying was Genny Lite. We have reason to suspect it's been sitting there since the 1930's before we bought it. |
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manofmystery
Forum Senior Member 
Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 00:04 |
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Beer tastes like garbage.
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 Time always wins. |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 00:04 |
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Well, OK. More for Rob! |
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The T
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 00:44 |
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You have been expelled from Libertarian School... Communists like wine... or vodka? Rum?  I don't like alcohol at all... I'm a nothing...
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 08:50 |
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WIne tastes like garbage. Beer tastes like gold sex.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Padraic
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 08:55 |
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I like beer and wine.
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 09:00 |
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I'll drink some of it, but I can't sit around and sip it like it's water as I do with beer.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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manofmystery
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Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 09:06 |
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I really can't drink any alcohol without getting terrible heartburn so it's good thing that alcohol makes everything taste terrible. Beer and whiskey are just the worst of the worst.
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Time always wins. |
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32581 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 10:46 |
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2008 Federal Budget under George W. Bush:
2009 Federal Budget under George W. Bush:
2010 federal budget under Barrack Obama:
2011 federal budget under Barrack Obama pending senatorial approval:
How long can this continue? |
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 10:50 |
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If you had ever tried some of the alcoholic drinks they sell in some countries (like mine) you would SO love beer....
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 10:54 |
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Forever according to everyone with the power to do anything about it.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 11:02 |
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What would be the breaking point? When the country is in total economic ruins? Or can this be actually done forever (because it it's possible in practice -I'm not saying desirable or good, just physically possible- I'm sure they will do it forever, as long as people pay the bill)
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 12:25 |
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We could potentially be past it. Financial institutions are holding back over a trillion dollars in reserves. Citibank has announced it's going to begin lending 200 billion, if other institutions follow suite in a short time period it would be a shock of a trillion dollars hitting the market. That would be bad. If other countries stop buying our debt and loaning us money, that would be bad. If countries begin to keep their reserves in assets besides US dollars, that would be bad. Three pretty plausible scenarios if you ask me.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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stonebeard
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Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 16:31 |
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ITT: the amount * variety of alcohol one drinks determines how libertarian one is.
I think I've got the liquor quota down...
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 22:23 |
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Soooo my economic analysis of "we're boned" is more or less accurate?
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 28 2011 at 00:13 |
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I quite loved and agreed with this statement by Hayek:
"There is no justification to the belief that, so long as power comes through democratic procedure, it cannot be arbitrary; it is not the source but the limitation of power which prevents it from being arbitrary" |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: January 28 2011 at 00:16 |
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Mentioned reading Rand, now Hayek?
Shown some maverickish....Teo I see we've lost you to the libertarians. |
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 28 2011 at 00:32 |
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I never believed in people controlling my life Brian. I wouldn't be happy with ANY dictatorship, even a democratic one (I am seeing this happen in my country and in Venezuela, where presidents manipulate people through democracy to give them absolute power). Democracy can lead to the same tyranny as the worst autocracy. Hayek expresses it clearly, but I was realizing that by myself for a while now...
I remember many months ago I took one of those ridiculous tests and I scored libertarian extreme in personal freedoms and authoritarian extreme in economic freedoms. I see now with clear eyes how ridiculous that is, thinking that there is a big distance between saying "you have to pay this and can't collect that" and "you have to say this and can't say that", which eventually leads to "you have to think this and can't think that". The final step: "you HAVE to be like this. There is no other way but our way. The way that the people chose. Because you chose to be this yourself, so it's legitimate". Edited by The T - January 28 2011 at 00:35 |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: January 28 2011 at 00:39 |
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Well while our libertarian friends may not think so, I also don't like people controlling my life.
 Certainly don't want to live in any type of a dictatorship. Democracy can indeed lead to tyranny. Not sure if it's true or for fun historical hear say...but I remember being told even the founding fathers didn't think a democracy could last more than 300 years without it turning into tyranny. Regardless, I believe the notion does go way back. I don't need a test to know I am "libertarian" with personal freedom. "Liberal" whatever tag you want, I know what it is! So what are you saying Teo? You seem to be echoing the sentiment of most in here that you can't segregate personal and economic freedom. ARE you on the libertarian boat? Honest question now. And no shame, just kinda curious. |
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