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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2011 at 12:10
Originally posted by javier0889 javier0889 wrote:

The same goes with King Crimson's Red and Kurt Cobain.
Every time that the mainstream media talks about Red, they HAVE to say that it was one of Cobain's favorite records.


 
Not enough to be in his top 50 though.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2011 at 00:08
The whole prog vs. progressive debate.

The belief that music past a certain year (1989 perhaps as an example) is all crap.

People who immediately dismiss/put down music because it contains religious themes/lyrics.

And to be more specific about an artist I love:
The insistence that Neal Morse has been repeating himself album after album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2011 at 19:33
I will say that the thing that bothers me the most about some progressive bands is some styles of singing.  And know that I don't think that it's necessarily bad, but it's just not my favorite style to hear.  Guys like James LaBrie and Neal Morse just don't do it for me.  The music in their respective bands is pretty good, but the singing does make it to where I listen to them less.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2011 at 19:42
Dream Theater and Spock's Beard are most progressive bands?  I sure as hell hope not Sick
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2011 at 19:53
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Dream Theater and Spock's Beard are most progressive bands?  I sure as hell hope not Sick


Definitely not, but they're my prime examples.  I've heard plenty of other bands with similar vocal styles and it brings the music down for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 00:42
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Dream Theater and Spock's Beard are King Crimson is the most progressive bands?  I sure as hell hope not Sick
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 01:35
Originally posted by natewait natewait wrote:

The whole prog vs. progressive debate.

The belief that music past a certain year (1989 perhaps as an example) is all crap.

People who immediately dismiss/put down music because it contains religious themes/lyrics.

And to be more specific about an artist I love:
The insistence that Neal Morse has been repeating himself album after album.

 
Lol, are you referencing a certain somebody here perhaps? Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 01:43
Originally posted by MillsLayne MillsLayne wrote:

I will say that the thing that bothers me the most about some progressive bands is some styles of singing.  And know that I don't think that it's necessarily bad, but it's just not my favorite style to hear.  Guys like James LaBrie and Neal Morse just don't do it for me.  The music in their respective bands is pretty good, but the singing does make it to where I listen to them less.

Out of curiosity, any examples of who else sings in that style?  Those are amongst my least favourite prog singers along with Hogarth.  But though I can think of others who either do the 80s glam meets smooth jazz mush kind of niche that LaBrie operates in or the kind of precious, overwrought singing that Morse is 'known' for, I can't readily think of others that repulsive or who make it difficult to focus on the music. The Circus Maximus singer has some similarities to LaBrie, for example, but is much more bearable at least for my taste.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 02:21
Morse does have a very clean and sober style, I think he's a good singer, but his style does sound Christian Rock-is sometimes. But he never comes off as hilariously hammy like Labrie, where that kinda singing is all he knows.
 
Of course hilariously over the top vocals can be awesome depending on the band, I'm a Uriah Heep fan after all.
 
Uriah Heep were a band who clearly enjoyed themselves though. My main problem with Dream Theater is that goddamn everything they've ever done sounds cold, routine and mechanical to me. It lacks that spark of life that all the best 70s prog bands had (and yes that includes ELP, STFU). Even when Wetton era King Crimson made music with an intentionally bleak and "industrial" sound, it had a rawness to it.
 
Dream Theater seem to only understand a portion of what prog rock was about. They know complex signatures and everything, but their music doesn't take me anywhere, they have no sense of humor, no ambition to actually use their skills to make something different.
 
As I've said before, it's far worse to not do anything interesting with your talents than to have no talent at all. At least The Shaggs were original.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 02:24
Originally posted by natewait natewait wrote:

The whole prog vs. progressive debate.

The belief that music past a certain year (1989 perhaps as an example) is all crap.

People who immediately dismiss/put down music because it contains religious themes/lyrics.

And to be more specific about an artist I love:
The insistence that Neal Morse has been repeating himself album after album.



Godboy's problem stems from being a post-89 nobody making derivative music using the same silly myth over and over and over...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 02:25

Wtf was so goddamn tragic about 1990 that you never shut up about it?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 03:02
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Morse does have a very clean and sober style, I think he's a good singer, but his style does sound Christian Rock-is sometimes. But he never comes off as hilariously hammy like Labrie, where that kinda singing is all he knows.  

Morse's fault is more in sucking the life out of a good melody and putting the listener to sleep. Yes, nobody to beat king LaBrie! Wink
 
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Of course hilariously over the top vocals can be awesome depending on the band, I'm a Uriah Heep fan after all.

That's a good example because David Byron does evoke LaBrie, mostly on account of a similarly overwrought style and annoying vibrato.  But he has a much better tone, kinda like Gillan, so he gets away with it to a large extent.  
 
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Uriah Heep were a band who clearly enjoyed themselves though. My main problem with Dream Theater is that goddamn everything they've ever done sounds cold, routine and mechanical to me. It lacks that spark of life that all the best 70s prog bands had (and yes that includes ELP, STFU). Even when Wetton era King Crimson made music with an intentionally bleak and "industrial" sound, it had a rawness to it.
 
Dream Theater seem to only understand a portion of what prog rock was about. They know complex signatures and everything, but their music doesn't take me anywhere, they have no sense of humor, no ambition to actually use their skills to make something different.

Yeah, they lack rock and roll energy and spirit maybe because they have decided beforehand that rock cliches are disgusting and juvenile (in a way, they are but they often bring much needed life to compositionally tired ideas).  But they also don't have such an individualistic style like KC or Genesis.  They don't crush as much as the most extreme metal out there, they are not as creepy as say Magma, they are not as much fun to listen to as ELP, they are kinda in the middle.  But I won't trash them too much for it because some people like it that way, a bit of this and that without being particularly expressive in one direction, that;s why they do have a big following too.  But they can be borderline embarrassing with their handling of softer material, for that I cut them no slack.  How people can flog modern pop and then proclaim Another Day a masterpiece baffles me. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 03:08
I like Neal Morse singing. Never heard any problem with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 03:18
Gotta admit that Morse's vocal style just doesn't interest me.
I've tried to get into that band time and time again and just can't because of his voice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 03:23
Weird. Just don't hear the problem myself. Listen to post Neal beard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 03:25
I find it incredibly ironic, hypocritical even, that Dream Theater have the nerve to go on about rock cliches when what they do is itself very cliched.
 
Some may find me self contradicting, because I love Porcupine Tree. And they are a pretty accessible band who wear their influences on their sleeves despite the prog label. But they have a very immersive sound, and they do atmosphere incredibly well, which I find to be a more important quality in prog than technical perfection.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 03:25
X is great Thumbs Up
I liked some of what I've heard of V to.
Ah, I wish I could like them more..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 03:29
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

I find it incredibly ironic, hypocritical even, that Dream Theater have the nerve to go on about rock cliches

When do they do that?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 03:29
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

I find it incredibly ironic, hypocritical even, that Dream Theater have the nerve to go on about rock cliches when what they do is itself very cliched.
 
Some may find me self contradicting, because I love Porcupine Tree. And they are a pretty accessible band who wear their influences on their sleeves despite the prog label. But they have a very immersive sound, and they do atmosphere incredibly well, which I find to be a more important quality in prog than technical perfection.


I think it depends. Some bands like Porcupine Tree, or Godspeed, are all about the mood and the atmosphere, and than you have Rush and ELP who are all about technical perfection and raw talent.
I guess I'd rather have deep melodies and texture than the other though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2011 at 03:45
Dream Theater hacking renditions and covers of various artists.
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