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boo boo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 905 |
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Not enough to be in his top 50 though.
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natewait ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 08 2009 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 218 |
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The whole prog vs. progressive debate.
The belief that music past a certain year (1989 perhaps as an example) is all crap. People who immediately dismiss/put down music because it contains religious themes/lyrics. And to be more specific about an artist I love: The insistence that Neal Morse has been repeating himself album after album. |
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Please check out my Progressive Music Blog: The Leviathan.
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MillsLayne ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2010 Location: East Bay, CA Status: Offline Points: 2504 |
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I will say that the thing that bothers me the most about some progressive bands is some styles of singing. And know that I don't think that it's necessarily bad, but it's just not my favorite style to hear. Guys like James LaBrie and Neal Morse just don't do it for me. The music in their respective bands is pretty good, but the singing does make it to where I listen to them less.
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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Dream Theater and Spock's Beard are most progressive bands? I sure as hell hope not
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MillsLayne ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2010 Location: East Bay, CA Status: Offline Points: 2504 |
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Definitely not, but they're my prime examples. I've heard plenty of other bands with similar vocal styles and it brings the music down for me. |
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King Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 16 2010 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Don't Bore Us, Get To The Chorus
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boo boo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 905 |
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Lol, are you referencing a certain somebody here perhaps?
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Out of curiosity, any examples of who else sings in that style? Those are amongst my least favourite prog singers along with Hogarth. But though I can think of others who either do the 80s glam meets smooth jazz mush kind of niche that LaBrie operates in or the kind of precious, overwrought singing that Morse is 'known' for, I can't readily think of others that repulsive or who make it difficult to focus on the music. The Circus Maximus singer has some similarities to LaBrie, for example, but is much more bearable at least for my taste.
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boo boo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 905 |
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Morse does have a very clean and sober style, I think he's a good singer, but his style does sound Christian Rock-is sometimes. But he never comes off as hilariously hammy like Labrie, where that kinda singing is all he knows.
Of course hilariously over the top vocals can be awesome depending on the band, I'm a Uriah Heep fan after all.
Uriah Heep were a band who clearly enjoyed themselves though. My main problem with Dream Theater is that goddamn everything they've ever done sounds cold, routine and mechanical to me. It lacks that spark of life that all the best 70s prog bands had (and yes that includes ELP, STFU). Even when Wetton era King Crimson made music with an intentionally bleak and "industrial" sound, it had a rawness to it.
Dream Theater seem to only understand a portion of what prog rock was about. They know complex signatures and everything, but their music doesn't take me anywhere, they have no sense of humor, no ambition to actually use their skills to make something different.
As I've said before, it's far worse to not do anything interesting with your talents than to have no talent at all. At least The Shaggs were original. Edited by boo boo - February 12 2011 at 02:23 |
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WalterDigsTunes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 11 2007 Location: SanDiegoTijuana Status: Offline Points: 4373 |
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Godboy's problem stems from being a post-89 nobody making derivative music using the same silly myth over and over and over... |
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boo boo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 905 |
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Wtf was so goddamn tragic about 1990 that you never shut up about it? |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Morse's fault is more in sucking the life out of a good melody and putting the listener to sleep. Yes, nobody to beat king LaBrie!
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That's a good example because David Byron does evoke LaBrie, mostly on account of a similarly overwrought style and annoying vibrato. But he has a much better tone, kinda like Gillan, so he gets away with it to a large extent.
Yeah, they lack rock and roll energy and spirit maybe because they have decided beforehand that rock cliches are disgusting and juvenile (in a way, they are but they often bring much needed life to compositionally tired ideas). But they also don't have such an individualistic style like KC or Genesis. They don't crush as much as the most extreme metal out there, they are not as creepy as say Magma, they are not as much fun to listen to as ELP, they are kinda in the middle. But I won't trash them too much for it because some people like it that way, a bit of this and that without being particularly expressive in one direction, that;s why they do have a big following too. But they can be borderline embarrassing with their handling of softer material, for that I cut them no slack. How people can flog modern pop and then proclaim Another Day a masterpiece baffles me.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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I like Neal Morse singing. Never heard any problem with it.
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Billy Pilgrim ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 28 2010 Location: Austin Status: Offline Points: 1505 |
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Gotta admit that Morse's vocal style just doesn't interest me.
I've tried to get into that band time and time again and just can't because of his voice. |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Weird. Just don't hear the problem myself. Listen to post Neal beard.
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boo boo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 905 |
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I find it incredibly ironic, hypocritical even, that Dream Theater have the nerve to go on about rock cliches when what they do is itself very cliched.
Some may find me self contradicting, because I love Porcupine Tree. And they are a pretty accessible band who wear their influences on their sleeves despite the prog label. But they have a very immersive sound, and they do atmosphere incredibly well, which I find to be a more important quality in prog than technical perfection.
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Billy Pilgrim ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 28 2010 Location: Austin Status: Offline Points: 1505 |
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X is great
![]() I liked some of what I've heard of V to. Ah, I wish I could like them more.. |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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When do they do that?
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Billy Pilgrim ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 28 2010 Location: Austin Status: Offline Points: 1505 |
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I think it depends. Some bands like Porcupine Tree, or Godspeed, are all about the mood and the atmosphere, and than you have Rush and ELP who are all about technical perfection and raw talent. I guess I'd rather have deep melodies and texture than the other though. |
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jaybird77 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 12 2011 Location: Alaska Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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Dream Theater hacking renditions and covers of various artists.
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