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I finally picked up Eggs & Dogs "You Are" a few months ago. I listened to it once, fell asleep, and kinda forgot about it.

I'm giving it another listen and I can't get over how weird it is. I'm a prog fan, I'm pretty used to "weird" at this point, but this album just takes it to another level. The melodies, vocals, and lyrics all merge together to make for an incredibly unsettling experience.

It's certainly a well made album, there's no doubt about that. Something about it just makes it hard to listen to. The album is also littered with (intentional?) references to TFK and other related projects, which only adds to the strangeness. He takes all these pretty musical themes and turns them inside out and upside down. And then the Moon Safari Barbershop Quartet comes in to resolve (?) everything.

Has anyone else heard this album? What's your opinion of it?
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Reeeally diggin' this right now


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^Definitely one of prog's greatest swan songs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2011 at 13:47
Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

^Definitely one of prog's greatest swan songs.


yea its been a while since I threw that one on. Probably their most consistent album, of the 4 that I know.

I hope it's NOT their swan song Unhappy
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Headz up all you Flokis, I was spinning Paradox Hotel, just to get my Monsters and Men fix....I still think that the Monster Guitar solo is Stolte at his very best...However, My youngest had some interesting music emmanating from his bed-room... I liked what i heard, then he went and bought the CD (his 2nd CD) he has had my collection to go at since he became prog-aware about two years ago...The CD arrived, I listened and for a debut album it's bloody marvellous possibly in the top five releases of 2010 that I've heard...Debut in 2010 thats your clue.
I am going to review it now because I have just given it it's third spin and it's a grower!
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Headz up all you Flokis, I was spinning Paradox Hotel, just to get my Monsters and Men fix....I still think that the Monster Guitar solo is Stolte at his very best...However, My youngest had some interesting music emmanating from his bed-room... I liked what i heard, then he went and bought the CD (his 2nd CD) he has had my collection to go at since he became prog-aware about two years ago...The CD arrived, I listened and for a debut album it's bloody marvellous possibly in the top five releases of 2010 that I've heard...Debut in 2010 thats your clue.
I am going to review it now because I have just given it it's third spin and it's a grower!

How vague! Color me curious, however.
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Listening to UtF disc 2, and hadn't realized Daniel Gildenlow had lead vocal duties on Fast Lane. Pretty cool. I think I enjoy his vocals in the context of TFK more; being uplifting and everything, instead of the dark vibe from PoS...

The Truth Shall Set You Free absolutely blew my mind last night Wacko it's sooooo epic. The classical feeling during the last few minutes was sublime!


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Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Headz up all you Flokis, I was spinning Paradox Hotel, just to get my Monsters and Men fix....I still think that the Monster Guitar solo is Stolte at his very best...However, My youngest had some interesting music emmanating from his bed-room... I liked what i heard, then he went and bought the CD (his 2nd CD) he has had my collection to go at since he became prog-aware about two years ago...The CD arrived, I listened and for a debut album it's bloody marvellous possibly in the top five releases of 2010 that I've heard...Debut in 2010 thats your clue.
I am going to review it now because I have just given it it's third spin and it's a grower!

How vague! Color me curious, however.
I am sort of dream-posting - you know, how the dream skip from theme to theme without a seam......
The CD on question was "Aquarius" by Haken....I think they have been accused of being FK plagiarists...?
Still waiting for those Pallas CD's Roj, Sent a second email to the email accounts that are listed in paypal.
Let you know when/If I get a response.
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TFK are slowly becoming an obsession for me. Because of this, I have been going on other forums to read about them and such, and a curious question came to mind.

Why have the band been on hiatus and when are they coming back?


I dont know if this has been discussed on this thread, and I figured this would be an appropriate place to bring it up. I know there has been some tension within the band, but isn't it Roine's band anyway? Can't he do whatever he wants with it? To be honest, Im not so thrilled with Agents of Mercy, and Transatlantic may not come out with their 4th album for a couple of years. So why no TFK?


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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Listening to UtF disc 2, and hadn't realized Daniel Gildenlow had lead vocal duties on Fast Lane. Pretty cool. I think I enjoy his vocals in the context of TFK more; being uplifting and everything, instead of the dark vibe from PoS...

The Truth Shall Set You Free absolutely blew my mind last night Wacko it's sooooo epic. The classical feeling during the last few minutes was sublime!

Feels good man.

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

TFK are slowly becoming an obsession for me. Because of this, I have been going on other forums to read about them and such, and a curious question came to mind.

Why have the band been on hiatus and when are they coming back?


I dont know if this has been discussed on this thread, and I figured this would be an appropriate place to bring it up. I know there has been some tension within the band, but isn't it Roine's band anyway? Can't he do whatever he wants with it? To be honest, Im not so thrilled with Agents of Mercy, and Transatlantic may not come out with their 4th album for a couple of years. So why no TFK? 

There was a lot of tension and a lot of negative vibes going on, particularly between Tomas and the other guys (which resulted in Zoltan's abrupt departure). Plus I think all of them had things they'd rather be working on outside of the Flower Kings. After all they'd been performing for over a decade at that point.

Give Agents of Mercy a chance. It takes a while but it will grow on you like all of Roine's stuff does. Fading Ghosts Of Twilight is actually filled to the brim with brilliant musical passages. Once you get comfortable with it you'll probably enjoy it as much as The Sum Of No Evil. (There's even various teases of TFK and his solo stuff if scattered throughout you listen closely).

Karmakanic and Hasse Froberg's Musical Companion are fantastic as well. It's really nice hearing all the guys really challenge themselves and produce some amazing music. In fact I'd say all these solo projects have given me a greater appreciation of what each member contributes to the band individually.

If/when the Flower Kings do return I hope it's at the right time and for the right reasons. I wouldn't want them to get back together just for money or out of some obligation. Nor would I really want Roine to just record his own thing and slap the band's name on it. Be patient dude. I'm sure when they do come back they'll produce something mindblowing.


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Also, the Agents will be touring the US soon. You should definitely try to make it to one of the shows if you can. Seeing the Agents/Karmakanic show two years ago definitely gave me a new appreciation for them. They put on one of the best shows I've ever been to (and I've seen a lot of great shows these past few years).

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I love Karmakanic. The first AOM didn't do much for me, is the other one better?
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I love Karmakanic. The first AOM didn't do much for me, is the other one better?

I honestly prefer the first album. Dramarama is very different. Whereas the first album was written entirely by Roine, the second album has Nad Sylvan and Roine splitting songwriting duties, and there's a lot more contribution from the other members as well. It has a lot of great songs and wonderful musical passages but overall I just feel like the first album flows a lot better.

I still think you should give Fading Ghosts another chance. I didn't think much of it at first but once you understand what they're doing you'll learn to love it.
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Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

I finally picked up Eggs & Dogs "You Are" a few months ago. I listened to it once, fell asleep, and kinda forgot about it.

I'm giving it another listen and I can't get over how weird it is. I'm a prog fan, I'm pretty used to "weird" at this point, but this album just takes it to another level. The melodies, vocals, and lyrics all merge together to make for an incredibly unsettling experience.

It's certainly a well made album, there's no doubt about that. Something about it just makes it hard to listen to. The album is also littered with (intentional?) references to TFK and other related projects, which only adds to the strangeness. He takes all these pretty musical themes and turns them inside out and upside down. And then the Moon Safari Barbershop Quartet comes in to resolve (?) everything.

Has anyone else heard this album? What's your opinion of it?
 
Well Harry, for one, I absolutely love You Are.  Sure it's a grower but there was plenty I loved on first spin to be honest.  I actually like Michael Stolt's vocals, if you think these are weird, try "I Am" where the vocals really go over the top!!
 
The title track is symphonic prog par excellence with plenty of TFK hints to show just how much of an influence Tomas was on the TFK sound.  The album isn't perfect (I absolutely loathe American Standards) but it's a 4.5 star album to these ears and I easily prefer You Are to either AOM album.  If anyone can point me to a better passage of music than the second half of the Cinema Show-esque Private Skies I'd be interested to hear it!! 
 
Incidentally I'm with you Harry when comparing the two AOM albums, I prefer the debut too.  It has a lovely laid-back, almost pastoral feel and a really enjoyable listen.
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Haven't checked in here in a while.

You Are.  Great album, love it myself.  Even American Standard, though that is certainly the least enjoyable song on the album.  I think what throws people (and threw me, initially), is that it's not a strictly "prog" album.  There is a 70's rock vibe going on as well, and I think they went for mood and emotion more than flashy playing.  Anyway, I think I AM is a much better album in every way, but that You Are is a very good album in it's own way.

As to Agents, I prefer Dramarama, though there are a few songs on the the first album that I think are better than anything on Dramarama, if that makes sense.  I just feel Dramarama is a more fully realized album that sounds like a band rather than Roine and some hired musicians.  I also like how it has a proggy first half and a more mellow second half.  The whole "retro" sound also is more pronounced than on the first album.  Still, like I said, a few songs on the first one are excellent.

As to the Flower Kings, Roine has made some comments in the past couple months that hint at a return (mentioning a "discussion with Inside Out" in reference to a question about a return, as well as saying earlier this year that he was thinking about working on some new FK tunes).  So don't get your hopes up, but who knows?  The Tomas and Zoltan situation was the result of Zoltan not liking Tomas' playing, and putting down Tomas as not very good.  Tomas basically told Roine either Zoltan goes or he goes, and Roine chose to stick with Tomas.  I can only assume that the animosity had died down when the recorded TSoNE and did one show together.  I seriously doubt that Zoltan will be the drummer on any future FK album, but you never know (plus, Zoltan prefers to play jazz, though I guess is happy enough playing on Karmakanic albums......though I'm not sure if he's the drummer on the new Karmakanic album coming out soon).
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I got The Tangent - "Down and Out in London and Paris", and it's pretty good, there's a lot of KC influence (Lizards-era in particular). I do want to get one of the first 2 or 3 albums since there's a bunch of TFK members on them. Which is the best one? (i'll probably get all of them eventually)
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Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:



As to the Flower Kings, Roine has made some comments in the past couple months that hint at a return (mentioning a "discussion with Inside Out" in reference to a question about a return, as well as saying earlier this year that he was thinking about working on some new FK tunes).  So don't get your hopes up, but who knows?  The Tomas and Zoltan situation was the result of Zoltan not liking Tomas' playing, and putting down Tomas as not very good.  Tomas basically told Roine either Zoltan goes or he goes, and Roine chose to stick with Tomas.  I can only assume that the animosity had died down when the recorded TSoNE and did one show together.  I seriously doubt that Zoltan will be the drummer on any future FK album, but you never know (plus, Zoltan prefers to play jazz, though I guess is happy enough playing on Karmakanic albums......though I'm not sure if he's the drummer on the new Karmakanic album coming out soon).


He's not, what from Ive heard. Also, if TFK came back full swing, I wonder if Karmakanic could co-exist (I'm sure it could). It sucks, because Zoltan is one of the best sounding prog drummers today
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I got The Tangent - "Down and Out in London and Paris", and it's pretty good, there's a lot of KC influence (Lizards-era in particular). I do want to get one of the first 2 or 3 albums since there's a bunch of TFK members on them. Which is the best one? (i'll probably get all of them eventually)

Down and Out is great. I especially enjoy the first track. It's basically a 19 minute "Glass Onion", except he takes the opportunity to kill off all his recurring characters. So harsh but so classy.

It's hard to say which is the best album, they're all pretty great. "A Place In The Que" is my personal favorite, but Roine isn't featured on that one. (Instead he got the fabulous Krister Johnson of Karmakanic fame).

Start with "The World That We Drive Through" if you want to hear some fantastic Stolt guitar and vocal contributions.

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He's not, what from Ive heard. Also, if TFK came back full swing, I wonder if Karmakanic could co-exist (I'm sure it could). It sucks, because Zoltan is one of the best sounding prog drummers today

I'm not sure what Zoltan is up to these days, and I've been actively trying to find out. He's one of my favorite drummers ever. Apparently he's been doing a ton of session work and has a jazz trio that he plays with, but I haven't actually heard anything that featured him since the frist AOM album.
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Not the one I wanted to get first based on the lineup, but The Tangent album is great. I'll be getting more albums
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