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Posted: July 24 2011 at 03:15
jammun wrote:
My friends, the first time I heard Abaddon's Bolero was a live performance, and it was spectacular. I couldn't wait for Trilogy to be released, just to hear it at will. I should set up a shrine for that live version in my garage. The album version, not so much, though it hints at what I heard that night. Oh, Emerson's synths were growling, Lake's bass full in the mix, Palmer doing, well, that bolero beat. For those of you who never heard it live, the punch of that big ass Moog was something special. We wuz in awe of the power of that band. At the time, they had an essentially stereo/quad sound system, i.e., a huge bank fo speakers in all four corners of the venue, that were just howling out the goodness of ELP. That Bolero grew, little by little, piece by piece, a phrase added here, a phrase added there, until it was a screaming howling demon, sort of orgasmic I suppose, in that it grew from a whisper into an all-out eruption.
On a good night, ELP were a force to be reckoned with.
I am very envious. I only saw ELP on the Black Moon tour and High Voltage last year. Would have loved to have seen them in their pomp but will just have to make do with the DVD's which unfortunately are not very good quality.
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 03:12
dr prog wrote:
richardh wrote:
dr prog wrote:
BSS is mainly rubbish
jerusalem is ok
taccota is good but its not even an elp song
still you turn me on is boring
benny the bouncer is crap
karnevil is half great and half daggy
This was the beginning of the end for elp
Were you drunk when you posted that?
Karn Evil 9 is virtually the whole album at 29 minutes long so any overall view of the album depends on whether you like this or not. Some do ,some don't. Personally I think its very strong up to the last 5 minutes when it goes off the rails a bit. Toccata is not an ELP song but then neither is Barbarian, Hoedown,Pictures (all of it) and various other things they did.
Well I only like half of Karnevil and not much of the first 4 songs which make up 15 minutes. So I only enjoy 1/3 of the album
Karn Evil 9 is actually 3 peices of music. So you like one of those and half of another?
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Posted: July 23 2011 at 18:17
My friends, the first time I heard Abaddon's Bolero was a live performance, and it was spectacular. I couldn't wait for Trilogy to be released, just to hear it at will. I should set up a shrine for that live version in my garage. The album version, not so much, though it hints at what I heard that night. Oh, Emerson's synths were growling, Lake's bass full in the mix, Palmer doing, well, that bolero beat. For those of you who never heard it live, the punch of that big ass Moog was something special. We wuz in awe of the power of that band. At the time, they had an essentially stereo/quad sound system, i.e., a huge bank fo speakers in all four corners of the venue, that were just howling out the goodness of ELP. That Bolero grew, little by little, piece by piece, a phrase added here, a phrase added there, until it was a screaming howling demon, sort of orgasmic I suppose, in that it grew from a whisper into an all-out eruption.
On a good night, ELP were a force to be reckoned with.
Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Posted: July 23 2011 at 17:53
richardh wrote:
dr prog wrote:
BSS is mainly rubbish
jerusalem is ok
taccota is good but its not even an elp song
still you turn me on is boring
benny the bouncer is crap
karnevil is half great and half daggy
This was the beginning of the end for elp
Were you drunk when you posted that?
Karn Evil 9 is virtually the whole album at 29 minutes long so any overall view of the album depends on whether you like this or not. Some do ,some don't. Personally I think its very strong up to the last 5 minutes when it goes off the rails a bit. Toccata is not an ELP song but then neither is Barbarian, Hoedown,Pictures (all of it) and various other things they did.
Well I only like half of Karnevil and not much of the first 4 songs which make up 15 minutes. So I only enjoy 1/3 of the album
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Posted: July 23 2011 at 09:26
dr prog wrote:
BSS is mainly rubbish
jerusalem is ok
taccota is good but its not even an elp song
still you turn me on is boring
benny the bouncer is crap
karnevil is half great and half daggy
This was the beginning of the end for elp
Were you drunk when you posted that?
Karn Evil 9 is virtually the whole album at 29 minutes long so any overall view of the album depends on whether you like this or not. Some do ,some don't. Personally I think its very strong up to the last 5 minutes when it goes off the rails a bit. Toccata is not an ELP song but then neither is Barbarian, Hoedown,Pictures (all of it) and various other things they did.
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Posted: July 23 2011 at 06:49
Slaughternalia wrote:
Actually come to think of it f**k the studio albums. Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends is all you'll need by ELP. they play WAY better on that then any studio album IMO. Plus it has pretty much all their best stuff
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Posted: July 23 2011 at 02:54
ExittheLemming wrote:
Much of the material on Trilogy wasn't played live simply because they couldn't replicate the numerous parts overdubbed by Keith in the studio. The title track was never performed live and Abaddon's Bolero was abandoned after an attempt to play along with a backing track on stage went disastrously wrong. The Endless Enigma was performed on a European leg of the tour but seems to have been dropped pretty quickly from the set. (Judging by bootlegs available from around this time, the live version featured a significantly altered melody sung by Lake)
You are correct accept that Trilogy was attempted live. Apparently Keith Emerson though did not regard it as a proper performance. I have heard it though and it was a decent attempt.
Another possible reason why Trilogy didn't feature in live shows was that Greg Lake's voice dropped an octave or two soon after due to his smoking habit. Caused may issues and even Karn Evil 9 had to be re-scored by Emerson for live shows so the version that is on Welcome Back is not exactly like the version on the album (quite noticeably to my ears)
Much of the material on Trilogy wasn't played live simply because they couldn't replicate the numerous parts overdubbed by Keith in the studio. The title track was never performed live and Abaddon's Bolero was abandoned after an attempt to play along with a backing track on stage went disastrously wrong. The Endless Enigma was performed on a European leg of the tour but seems to have been dropped pretty quickly from the set. (Judging by bootlegs available from around this time, the live version featured a significantly altered melody sung by Lake)
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Posted: July 22 2011 at 12:12
npjnpj wrote:
I wonder if ELP themselves weren't too fond of Trilogy, reason being that apart from Hoedown, Welcome Back didn't contain any tracks from that album (or any other of their live releases either, come to think of it). And Hoedown's not exactly the showcase from trilogy.
Shame, badly underrepresented, I find.
I don't think it was released officially, but they did do stuff from Trilogy live
Also The Sheriff is on Welcome back...
Edited by Slaughternalia - July 22 2011 at 12:14
I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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Posted: July 22 2011 at 12:07
npjnpj wrote:
I wonder if ELP themselves weren't too fond of Trilogy, reason being that apart from Hoedown, Welcome Back didn't contain any tracks from that album (or any other of their live releases either, come to think of it). And Hoedown's not exactly the showcase from trilogy.
Shame, badly underrepresented, I find.
In an interview Greg Lake stated that Trilogy was his favorite album, but you're right, it's under represented in their live performances. Probably because most of their audience prefere BSS and Tarkus.
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Posted: July 22 2011 at 01:40
jean-marie wrote:
Picture could has been as good as the three others but it failed because Emerson is a fantastic instrumentalist ( Organ and Piano ) but not quite a Moog master and especialy when playing it on stage at the time, to my ears those parts realy spoiled the album
He did tend to use it as a novelty toy rather rather than a musical instrument in the early days although the solo on The Old Castle is the reason I became an ELP fan and opened my eyes (and ears) to the magnificient potential of the synthesiser in rock music.
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Posted: July 21 2011 at 16:45
Picture could has been as good as the three others but it failed because Emerson is a fantastic instrumentalist ( Organ and Piano ) but not quite a Moog master and especialy when playing it on stage at the time, to my ears those parts realy spoiled the album
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jammun wrote:
but it's ok for me through the studio albums....but Pictures at an exibition has a few boring parts
