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Points: 30576 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2011 at 01:47
Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

doesn't matter really. The 'prog excesses' were just the bands stretching their ideas and sound to breaking point. The momentum was already there by 1971
 
The momentum was there, but the ridiculousness wasn't. The Yes Album is worlds away from Tales From Topographic Oceans... In a recent issue of Classic Rock Presents Prog, many illuminaries discuss that year ('71) and agree that it was the pinnacle of the genre, before the ambition got the best of many involved.
Prog could only go in one direction though (and that with the accelerator floored). I think Ian Anderson was pretty accurate in his comments. What you are talking about is whether prog got better or worse after 1971. A lot of people prefer 1973 as a year but really it doesn't matter.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

doesn't matter really. The 'prog excesses' were just the bands stretching their ideas and sound to breaking point. The momentum was already there by 1971
 
The momentum was there, but the ridiculousness wasn't. The Yes Album is worlds away from Tales From Topographic Oceans... In a recent issue of Classic Rock Presents Prog, many illuminaries discuss that year ('71) and agree that it was the pinnacle of the genre, before the ambition got the best of many involved.
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Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Funny old chap.The  'Heads up their arses' comment accurately describes a lot of the prog rock fraternity at the time (1971-1972).
 
See an earlier posting of mine in this thread re: prog in '71, when TAAB was made. Prog's excesses weren't in full swing yet. Topographic, The Lamb, etc, weren't until much later.
doesn't matter really. The 'prog excesses' were just the bands stretching their ideas and sound to breaking point. The momentum was already there by 1971
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Funny old chap.The  'Heads up their arses' comment accurately describes a lot of the prog rock fraternity at the time (1971-1972).
 
See an earlier posting of mine in this thread re: prog in '71, when TAAB was made. Prog's excesses weren't in full swing yet. Topographic, The Lamb, etc, weren't until much later.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

This is one of the funniest threads...(of this week).....I urinated in my pants with laughter due to what some thought he said in the video......
 
My apologies for starting a thread that has forced you to take your trousers to the cleaners! Wink Please do enlighten us on what he really said in the video.
 
Is it one thing for Ian (a non-punk) to Sl*g prog, and another for Johnny Rotten, Jello Biafra, and other punks to do the same? It seems to me that, in the past, a lot of people have gotten pissed about punks taking the piss out of Yes, ELP, etc, but it's not as bad when Ian does it. Is this true?
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Funny old chap.The  'Heads up their arses' comment accurately describes a lot of the prog rock fraternity at the time (1971-1972). Hardly controversial really. It will probably annoy a few though that he includes Gentle Giant in his little list.
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This is one of the funniest threads...(of this week).....I urinated in my pants with laughter due to what some thought he said in the video......You obviously do not listen to music.
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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

The end of the world is near if we don't stop saving the world. After all; there has not been a nuclear war since ProgArchives saw the light in 2004. 



I take it that you missed the Yes vs Genesis poll, then. Yikes!!

Ian Anderson is one of my earliest (and biggest) heros, but I always have a laugh when he picks on prog. I don't agree with him, but I must say ... I'm much more into the 'darker' prog bands, but I do love Genesis. Give me Henry Cow over Yes, anyday ... or Jethro Tull over Yes for that matter! Personally, I think Anderson likes to have a laugh about most things and so do I. Lifes too short to take such matters too seriously. Perhaps that's what Ian's really digging at ... the bands and fans who take it all too seriously.
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FYI, Mike Rutherford more or less called people who were trying to keep prog alive into the 80s stupid.
 
Fripp pronounced the rock business shallow and excessive as early as 1974, even before punk could commence its effigy burning business. An observation with which I largely agree, by the way.
 
Michael Dunford said in the 90s that maybe the band should have moved to shorter songs earlier. 
 
The Shulmans always wanted another Kite, if you believe what Gary Green and John Weathers have to say. 
 
John Wetton is effusive in his praise for the era that he was part of KC but says it "promised too much" (implying that it was an unsustainable concept ultimately)
 
Face it, none of these guys would want to stand up for prog (and imo, it is not a very progressive idea to stand up for a genre), so it's good to see Ian Anderson can be funny about it in his usual way. 


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Ian Anderson also has a remarkable sense of self-deprecation.....I think he skewers HIMSELF as much as Yes or ELP!   You have to read between the lines with this fellow, he's a brilliant satirist (think of the lyrics to TAAB). 

After all, "A Passion Play" was roundly panned by the rock press when it came out, and the live show (which I missed) was a complicated bunch of sets, movie clips and other things that were about as "proggy" as TFTO!!   He really can't throw any stones, and I don't think he is, he's looking to stir things up!  

Here's a Melody Maker review from 1973:  http://www.tullpress.com/mm21jul73.htm

Of all the proggers out there, Anderson might be the one I'd most like to tip a pint with!  
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Sure, Rick Wakeman knows how to laugh at himself. He's cool (unlike Ian). As bucka I'm not a fan of the of the over the top stuff he's making fun of, and I didn't misunderstand him. 
 
Also, people should understand that Rick can laugh about this now, decades after the fact. At the time, Tales was one of the reasons he left the group. And Jon Anderson sure wasn't laughing. He was having to defend Tales to critics and everyone else; he wasn't thrilled that the had to defend it to someone in the group (I remember this from Dan Hedge's biography).
 
So, Wakey is lighthearted about it now, but it was a bigger issue then.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

The comments from Ian Andersson has been totally misunderstood and we have got two pages out of it. Should I laugh or cry ? Let's start a poll on that ! 

Come on. Let's save the world instead of having a debate on something someone has not meant. 

 
Misunderstood? He called Yes and ELP spaghetti noodlers who could beat an idea to death, and said that Gabe prancing around in a flower outfit was verging on ridiculous. I perfectly understood what he meant (and actually agree with him for the most part). He might have been poking fun, but I think he does feel that way about those bands. I, for one, am not offended! And I don't think anyone misunderstands him.

Haw!  Even Wakeman agrees with IA, this fantastic interview is a must-read (Wakeman compares Yes to Spinal Tap)


The curry that Wakeman ate onstage during the "Tales" concert was chicken vindaloo, my own favorite!!  

Let's face it....we LOVE much of that music, but a great deal of it was pompous, over-the-top theatrics!!  That is a good part of its charm for me....the elaborate sets, massive tours with dozens of lorries, and lengthy rock opuses played for hours, with nary a wrong note to be heard!!   You have to see Lady Ga-Ga to get anywhere close to the '70's era in terms of onstage extravagance!

Ian's having fun, he'd probably bust a gut at this thread!  

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We really, really shouldn't take ourselves so seriously!


Sure, Rick Wakeman knows how to laugh at himself. He's cool (unlike Ian). As bucka I'm not a fan of the of the over the top stuff he's making fun of, and I didn't misunderstand him. 
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Yeah, seriously. Do any of you people have any concept of a joke? Confused He like tried to make it obvious as possible he was joking, too.


I know but That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore. Neither is Ian.
Why so serious?


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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

The end of the world is near if we don't stop saving the world. After all; there has not been a nuclear war since ProgArchives saw the light in 2004. 
 
I think, in its own small way, that ProgArchives (and maybe even ProggressiveEars) has contributed to the absence of nuclear war...
 
...just go with me on this!
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The end of the world is near if we don't stop saving the world. After all; there has not been a nuclear war since ProgArchives saw the light in 2004. 
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


We really, really shouldn't take ourselves so seriously!
 
I agree, and I feel the same way when people have gotten ticked off at John Lydon and Jello Biafra taking shots at Yes, Floyd, etc, and calling them boring. It ain't the end of the world!
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

The comments from Ian Andersson has been totally misunderstood and we have got two pages out of it. Should I laugh or cry ? Let's start a poll on that ! 

Come on. Let's save the world instead of having a debate on something someone has not meant. 

 
Misunderstood? He called Yes and ELP spaghetti noodlers who could beat an idea to death, and said that Gabe prancing around in a flower outfit was verging on ridiculous. I perfectly understood what he meant (and actually agree with him for the most part). He might have been poking fun, but I think he does feel that way about those bands. I, for one, am not offended! And I don't think anyone misunderstands him.

Haw!  Even Wakeman agrees with IA, this fantastic interview is a must-read (Wakeman compares Yes to Spinal Tap)


The curry that Wakeman ate onstage during the "Tales" concert was chicken vindaloo, my own favorite!!  

Let's face it....we LOVE much of that music, but a great deal of it was pompous, over-the-top theatrics!!  That is a good part of its charm for me....the elaborate sets, massive tours with dozens of lorries, and lengthy rock opuses played for hours, with nary a wrong note to be heard!!   You have to see Lady Ga-Ga to get anywhere close to the '70's era in terms of onstage extravagance!

Ian's having fun, he'd probably bust a gut at this thread!  

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Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

The comments from Ian Andersson has been totally misunderstood and we have got two pages out of it. Should I laugh or cry ? Let's start a poll on that ! 

Come on. Let's save the world instead of having a debate on something someone has not meant. 

 
Misunderstood? He called Yes and ELP spaghetti noodlers who could beat an idea to death, and said that Gabe prancing around in a flower outfit was verging on ridiculous. I perfectly understood what he meant (and actually agree with him for the most part). He might have been poking fun, but I think he does feel that way about those bands. I, for one, am not offended! And I don't think anyone misunderstands him.

Haw!  Even Wakeman agrees with IA, this fantastic interview is a must-read (Wakeman compares Yes to Spinal Tap)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1045969/Yes-original-Spinal-Tap-says-Rick-Wakeman-Seventies-prog-rock-supergroup.html#ixzz1Ss5rspNu

The curry that Wakeman ate onstage during the "Tales" concert was chicken vindaloo, my own favorite!!  

Let's face it....we LOVE much of that music, but a great deal of it was pompous, over-the-top theatrics!!  That is a good part of its charm for me....the elaborate sets, massive tours with dozens of lorries, and lengthy rock opuses played for hours, with nary a wrong note to be heard!!   You have to see Lady Ga-Ga to get anywhere close to the '70's era in terms of onstage extravagance!

Ian's having fun, he'd probably bust a gut at this thread!  
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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

The comments from Ian Andersson has been totally misunderstood and we have got two pages out of it. Should I laugh or cry ? Let's start a poll on that ! 

Come on. Let's save the world instead of having a debate on something someone has not meant. 

 
Misunderstood? He called Yes and ELP spaghetti noodlers who could beat an idea to death, and said that Gabe prancing around in a flower outfit was verging on ridiculous. I perfectly understood what he meant (and actually agree with him for the most part). He might have been poking fun, but I think he does feel that way about those bands. I, for one, am not offended! And I don't think anyone misunderstands him.
 
Save the world? In a Prog Forum? I'd rather discuss Pawn Hearts vs. The Lamb Wink
 
By the way, re: the poll. I vote that you cry. Or laugh... waitaminute... can I get a do-over?
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The comments from Ian Andersson has been totally misunderstood and we have got two pages out of it. Should I laugh or cry ? Let's start a poll on that ! 

Come on. Let's save the world instead of having a debate on something someone has not meant. 
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