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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:54
Rolling Stone hasn't been relevant for years, why is this news?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:41
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:44
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Rolling Stone hasn't been relevant for years, why is this news?
 
Exactly. They sold out decades ago. It's a fashion magazine now. Sadly, these are the same dolts who run the inane Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:47
Rolling Stone, and Jann Wenner in particular, has never liked prog.  Ever.  Not one little bit.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:50
It makes me wonder what the criteria was, or even if there was any.  I'll wager that a lot of those on the list are there because they influenced the voters - and that is an impressive list.  I disagree with a lot of the rankings, but there are a number of great guitar players on there, and at least they got both Jimi Hendrix and Jeff Beck in the top five.  Some of the standings had to result from the multiple voters choosing them.  There are very few on the list that I regard as poor guitarists (Bruce Springsteen among them), and there were a few I did not know.  Oh well, we all have our own lists, do we not?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:51
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Rolling Stone hasn't been relevant for years, why is this news?
 
Exactly. They sold out decades ago. It's a fashion magazine now. Sadly, these are the same dolts who run the inane Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
It's been a garbage production for quite some time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 20:32
Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

It makes me wonder what the criteria was, or even if there was any.  I'll wager that a lot of those on the list are there because they influenced the voters - and that is an impressive list.  I disagree with a lot of the rankings, but there are a number of great guitar players on there, and at least they got both Jimi Hendrix and Jeff Beck in the top five.  Some of the standings had to result from the multiple voters choosing them.  There are very few on the list that I regard as poor guitarists (Bruce Springsteen among them), and there were a few I did not know.  Oh well, we all have our own lists, do we not?
Well, ..one aspect comes to mind for me. They are not honest in the historical sense. They don't promote honesty regarding the different guitarists who came along on to a music scene of the past and changed or influenced people to write differently. The voters, that certain style of the journalist, and the profit from it all. The style in which artists are represented through the publications industry today is shameful and they practically hide important history about an innovative artist from thousands of viewers and place more importance on popular issues which 30 years ago before people became brainwashed ...we all would have found laughable. It runs deeper than just their somewhat moronic list's. It's what they are doing to people in the world who believe in it.  This seems to present guitar playing itself in some overblown contrived business concept that just stamps out everything having to do with the art of the instrument and it's players.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 20:35
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Rolling Stone hasn't been relevant for years, why is this news?

Exactly--it has nothing to do with music--it's a political --style--pop culture mag---god Howe placed in the list in the 80's I think last year or a few years ago--but god Hackett never made it at all as far as I know----but really who cares. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 20:50
Please, aren't we used after decades of the same sh*t?

Who cares of what Rolling Stones, MTV or VH1 say or write? Prog doesn't sell magazines get used.

If I cared, I wouldn't be listening Prog for more than three decades.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 20:57
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Nobody cares. And if anyone else in the entire world almost cared, they would not care enough to click 100 times through their goddamn slideshow.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 22:22
Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

Rolling Stone, and Jann Wenner in particular, has never liked prog.  Ever.  Not one little bit.



so true---he loved Yoko Ono---but even the great masterpieces of prog they dismissed--Jann Wenner was never a size queenBig smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2011 at 01:58
Can't say that I really care as its obviously not aimed at prog fans and seems skewed very heavily to an American perception of music. At least one of my favourite guitarists Leslie West recognised at least.Pity that Matt Bellamy isn't in there but Rolling Stone probably hasn't even heard of him .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2011 at 02:14
Bruce Springsteen made the list....it was at that point I gave up looking at it Thumbs Down
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2011 at 08:41

The sole purpose of the list is to sell magazines, so RS props up certain rock personalities to reenforce those opinions of readers who still find RS relevant (and throws in a few wild cards for those oldsters who still remember quality).....hey, look, my fave guitarst is #8 on the list - I must have good taste....pass the Stone (it validates my shallow tastes). 

 
I shouldn't pick on RS - I haven't bothered to read any of their lists since Beat failed to make the Top 50 Albums of 1982.  Did Robert Quine or Steve Hunter make the list....how about David Lindley....how about Phil Miller?
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2011 at 09:27
Great comments all. I'll add a few more myself now that I'm calmer. First, I agree that RS could care less about prog, is all about selling magazine subscriptions, etc. I haven't read it in years either. What is interesting is that even though many of us don't care about the magazine and understand their motivation, we clearly care very much about our music and the fact that many talented guitarists were slighted, and also we care enough to post some kind of comments here! Even if we don't care in the big picture, it's nice to vent about the BS any way! Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2011 at 14:58
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

This seems to present guitar playing itself in some overblown contrived business concept that just stamps out everything having to do with the art of the instrument and it's players.


Or, to quote Jethro Tull, "We'll be geared toward the average rather than the exceptional".

This may sound a bit paranoid, but I can't help but feel a vibe of PC from these guys. If they put too many guitarists on there with technical skill, they think they'll upset the ones who are not as skilled. No, it does not mean it simple guitarist is automatically inferior to a complex guitarist. Chuck Berry,  pre-1967 Pete Townshend , Ron Ashton and a bunch of blues guitarists made pure music gold with very little that could rank with the bast records praised here on this site. Still, if you look at some of the articles (check "Of Pop Pies and Fun" by Lester Bangs, for example), they'll come up with the most ridiculous reasons why being good at your instrument is bad. If this is the "true spirit" of Rock 'n' Roll, then Rock 'n' Roll is one of the most pretentious things to come out of the world of art.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2011 at 19:21
Well, at least they acknowledged Frank Zappa as a talented guitarist (many seem to overlook his guitar skills for his composition, appearance etc.).  

Kurt Cobain?  Billy Coorgan?  Johnny Ramone???

I think Rolling Stone makes these lists just to piss us off!  Even without dipping far into the pool of prog talent, I could vastly improve this list....Michael Schenker, Larry Rhinehardt, John Goodsall, etc. etc.  

I hate Rolling Stone magazine....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2011 at 19:48
Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

Okay, that joke of a magazine Rolling Stone just published a new best guitarist list-http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-20111123. I know I shouldn't let it bother me, but they've really out done themselves this time around as far as I'm concerned. We will all have major problems with their choices-and I look forward to reading your comments. For me there are 3 enormous problems with the list:

1-Steve Howe is totally omitted
2-Alex Lifeson is ranked 98th
3-Robert Fripp is ranked 62nd

I'm not even going to rant about others on the list, there are just so many ridiculous choices and omissions, but as a prog fan these 3 things really piss me off. 

So have fun and go at it.



This is what John Goodsall says about it on his Facebook page:

f that rolling stone mag silly gtr poll.
splash? ramone? perry? hollywood dicksukkers these creeps can't even Tune a gtr! Where's Trower? hmmmm Howe?????Where's Martino? DiMeaola? Summers? Metheny mmmkay? Burton?.....whatever!
At least Tom Morello & Prince made it in there. Rolling Stone Fagazine shut the F*** UP !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2011 at 19:51
Erm...Keith Richards would be in my top ten (for feel, texture, tone and the ability to enhance what is usually very simple harmonic territory plus his exploitation of open tuning) Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2011 at 21:09
Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha KingCrInuYasha wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

This seems to present guitar playing itself in some overblown contrived business concept that just stamps out everything having to do with the art of the instrument and it's players.


Or, to quote Jethro Tull, "We'll be geared toward the average rather than the exceptional".

This may sound a bit paranoid, but I can't help but feel a vibe of PC from these guys. If they put too many guitarists on there with technical skill, they think they'll upset the ones who are not as skilled. No, it does not mean it simple guitarist is automatically inferior to a complex guitarist. Chuck Berry,  pre-1967 Pete Townshend , Ron Ashton and a bunch of blues guitarists made pure music gold with very little that could rank with the bast records praised here on this site. Still, if you look at some of the articles (check "Of Pop Pies and Fun" by Lester Bangs, for example), they'll come up with the most ridiculous reasons why being good at your instrument is bad. If this is the "true spirit" of Rock 'n' Roll, then Rock 'n' Roll is one of the most pretentious things to come out of the world of art.


Or more aptly; to quote Ian Anderson from "Baker St Muse" (Minstrel In The Gallery)..........

"I have no time for Time Magazine....or Rolling Stone"
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