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Posted: May 24 2012 at 20:12
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Dead Can Dance
+1.
I was with you until about 3 weeks ago when I got Within In Realm Of A Dying Sun. Wonderful band, could well move from "Never Heard" to "Own Everything".
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 17:16
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Dean wrote:
Which part of "never heard it" is causing you the problem Andrey?
I don't get it; what are you aiming at? Never heard almost the entire solo Hackett canon ... except for the aforementioned albums. As in, never heard the rest of "Momentum", never heard "The Bay of Kings", never heard "Till We Have Faces", etc.
It's not important, 'twas a small jest - the thread asks for major prog albums you've never heard so said you've never heard ANY of Steve Hacketts albums... then listed his two most MAJOR albums as the ones you have heard. I thought it amusing, evidently you didn't. No big deal.
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 12:15
Dean wrote:
Which part of "never heard it" is causing you the problem Andrey?
I don't get it; what are you aiming at? Never heard almost the entire solo Hackett canon ... except for the aforementioned albums. As in, never heard the rest of "Momentum", never heard "The Bay of Kings", never heard "Till We Have Faces", etc.
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 09:51
Yes - Tormatoe, or any thing after Drama, though i'm aware of the hits..
King Crimson - everything after Red, though im aware of the 3 pairs song.
Genesis - From genesis to revelation, and everything after wind & wuthering, which now that i think of it, i never heard all of it as well, i listen usually to one for the vine, because of the instrumental section.^ ^
Gentle Giant - civilization or whatever its called.
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 09:16
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HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
Did you hear Learning to Live? I think it is one of the most fantastic Progressive compositions ever - the keyboardist starts out playing this pattern: 3 3 4 5. When the other band members come in, they are all playing different metres. I can't figure out what the bassist or drummer are doing exactly, though I have tried. However, I can tell you that the guitarist plays a straight 2/4 beat, which makes a pretty funky pattern on top of the keyboardist's 15/8 pattern.
Actually, Petrucci plays 15/4 over Rudess' 15/8 pattern. He plays only the quarter notes, so it sounds like a straightforward 2/4 or 4/4 rhythm that shifts back and forth over the 15/8 pattern. What's really cool is that before Petrucci comes in, Portnoy's snare clicks do the same: straight quarter notes over the 15/8 pattern. But by the time Petrucci joins in, the drums shift to an actual 15/8 pattern, so the guitar and the drums complement each other's rhythm. This kind of metric shifting is something DT do a lot.
Personally, I never heard anything by Van der Graaf Generator, but I'm changing that now.
Dude...you know what we need? We need a thread somewhere to discuss these cool compound time signature things! Where would someone put such a thread, or is there one already? I know I'm always trying to figure out the time signature in things I listen to, and sometimes I just can't get it and eventually I just give up and enjoy the piece for what it is.
Did you hear Learning to Live? I think it is one of the most fantastic Progressive compositions ever - the keyboardist starts out playing this pattern: 3 3 4 5. When the other band members come in, they are all playing different metres. I can't figure out what the bassist or drummer are doing exactly, though I have tried. However, I can tell you that the guitarist plays a straight 2/4 beat, which makes a pretty funky pattern on top of the keyboardist's 15/8 pattern.
Actually, Petrucci plays 15/4 over Rudess' 15/8 pattern. He plays only the quarter notes, so it sounds like a straightforward 2/4 or 4/4 rhythm that shifts back and forth over the 15/8 pattern. What's really cool is that before Petrucci comes in, Portnoy's snare clicks do the same: straight quarter notes over the 15/8 pattern. But by the time Petrucci joins in, the drums shift to an actual 15/8 pattern, so the guitar and the drums complement each other's rhythm. This kind of metric shifting is something DT do a lot.
Personally, I never heard anything by Van der Graaf Generator, but I'm changing that now.
Dude...you know what we need? We need a thread somewhere to discuss these cool compound time signature things! Where would someone put such a thread, or is there one already? I know I'm always trying to figure out the time signature in things I listen to, and sometimes I just can't get it and eventually I just give up and enjoy the piece for what it is.
Did you hear Learning to Live? I think it is one of the most fantastic Progressive compositions ever - the keyboardist starts out playing this pattern: 3 3 4 5. When the other band members come in, they are all playing different metres. I can't figure out what the bassist or drummer are doing exactly, though I have tried. However, I can tell you that the guitarist plays a straight 2/4 beat, which makes a pretty funky pattern on top of the keyboardist's 15/8 pattern.
Actually, Petrucci plays 15/4 over Rudess' 15/8 pattern. He plays only the quarter notes, so it sounds like a straightforward 2/4 or 4/4 rhythm that shifts back and forth over the 15/8 pattern. What's really cool is that before Petrucci comes in, Portnoy's snare clicks do the same: straight quarter notes over the 15/8 pattern. But by the time Petrucci joins in, the drums shift to an actual 15/8 pattern, so the guitar and the drums complement each other's rhythm. This kind of metric shifting is something DT do a lot.
Personally, I never heard anything by Van der Graaf Generator, but I'm changing that now.
I love trying to figure out complex metres. This will show you what a crazy fan I am: I found out there was a book of Dream Theater scores, so I bought it to help me figure some of them out. The song "Dance of Eternity" is so complex that even with the book in front of me, I can't count with it. I just have to respect it, haha!
Geoff you will have seen this already but for those others who may have not, it's just Portnoy counting the time sigs along a section of the song.
I know, even HE messes up trying to count with that one! It's like it's so complicated, you can't count, you just have to feel the beat.
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 06:48
Dean wrote:
Returning from a gig one night my wife remarked, "Oh, I never knew I liked Threshold...", however, I think she (and my daughter) had fallen for Damian Wilson's on stage charm more than their music.
My girlfriend only joined me to one gig ever, Neal Morse, too bad he's not that handsome (it was the Lifeline tour with his european band and BTW Paul Bielatowicz was absent and replaced by some dutch guy I didn't know who was far from as good as Paul which was a pitty).
She assures that she did not "hate it" and we chatted a bit with Neal and his wife which was cool (their children were also around) but she did not actually like it and she never joined me to a gig again.
I recently tried hard to have her joining to The Musical Box The Lamb show as I think she might have more or less appreciated it but no way
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 05:51
Gerinski wrote:
I never heard my girlfriend saying "I like this" when she hears the music I listen to
Returning from a gig one night my wife remarked, "Oh, I never knew I liked Threshold...", however, I think she (and my daughter) had fallen for Damian Wilson's on stage charm more than their music.
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 05:22
dtguitarfan wrote:
I love trying to figure out complex metres. This will show you what a crazy fan I am: I found out there was a book of Dream Theater scores, so I bought it to help me figure some of them out. The song "Dance of Eternity" is so complex that even with the book in front of me, I can't count with it. I just have to respect it, haha!
Geoff you will have seen this already but for those others who may have not, it's just Portnoy counting the time sigs along a section of the song.
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colorofmoney91 wrote:
Which part of "never heard it" is causing you the problem Andrey? 
Quite possibly the most Beautiful album I've ever heard.
It's like it's so complicated, you can't count, you just have to feel the beat.
